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Gfi's and testers. #169841
10/17/07 08:17 PM
10/17/07 08:17 PM
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derater  Offline OP
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Could use some insight on this; gfi receptacle trips with 'test' button, but not with a gfi tester. New type that supposedly won't work if wired wrong. Tester is ok. Ideas ?

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Re: Gfi's and testers. [Re: derater] #169843
10/17/07 08:29 PM
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No ground?


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Re: Gfi's and testers. [Re: gfretwell] #169846
10/17/07 09:32 PM
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SP4RX  Offline
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada...eh
I agree with Fretwell. I think that the gfi tester works by allowing a small amount of current to flow from the hot conductor through a resistor to the grounding conductor. So if you have no ground connection at the gfi the tester's ground prong wouldn't have a good return path for the simulated ground fault.
This doesn't mean that the gfi won't work as intended though since it normally compares line current to neutral current, with no need for a ground.
Perhaps you could verify it's correct operation by unscrewing the gfi and, using a separate wire, make a temporary connection to a good remote ground point and then try your tester again?

Shawn.

Re: Gfi's and testers. [Re: SP4RX] #169858
10/18/07 11:54 AM
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The neutral carries the same current as the hot conductor. A ground would be necessary for the GFCI to work properly.

Re: Gfi's and testers. [Re: JValdes] #169859
10/18/07 12:12 PM
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SteveFehr  Offline
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Originally Posted by JValdes
The neutral carries the same current as the hot conductor. A ground would be necessary for the GFCI to work properly.
The GFCI will still work properly without a ground (hence its acceptability in ungrounded retrofit appliations) but the GFCI tester wouldn't work, as it can't shunt a small amount of current to ground if there's no ground to shunt to. Standing in a puddle and sticking a wet finger into the receptacle aught to do the trick, though. But it's certainly not recommend as the consequences if the test fails are potentially rather dire...

Last edited by SteveFehr; 10/18/07 12:13 PM.
Re: Gfi's and testers. [Re: SteveFehr] #169865
10/18/07 02:56 PM
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derater  Offline OP
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Thanks all. That's the case, no ground.


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