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? for resi inspectors #161967 04/10/07 09:21 PM
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Does changing the breaker constitute " working on the circuit" ? i.e. does a panel change (only) require AFCI's for bedrooms ?

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Re: ? for resi inspectors [Re: derater] #161971 04/10/07 10:25 PM
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That is going to be a local call at plan review time.


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Re: ? for resi inspectors [Re: gfretwell] #162028 04/12/07 06:15 AM
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Gfretwell; way past planning. the ? relates to a legal matter. IS it code or not ?

Re: ? for resi inspectors [Re: derater] #162029 04/12/07 06:44 AM
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Derater:
In NJ, this may be classified as a 'repair' and not require a permit or insp.
NJ does not require AFCI protection, as it was amended in the UCC.
Probably a local/area clarification.
Where are you??
John


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Re: ? for resi inspectors [Re: HotLine1] #162036 04/12/07 09:26 AM
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I'm in Cent Pa. A 'home inspector' is contending that changing out the panel requires installing AFCI's. I've never heard of such a thing.

Re: ? for resi inspectors [Re: derater] #162039 04/12/07 10:32 AM
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What was there previously, breakers or fuses? Were any circuits added?

Re: ? for resi inspectors [Re: derater] #162040 04/12/07 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by derater
I'm in Cent Pa. A 'home inspector' is contending that changing out the panel requires installing AFCI's. I've never heard of such a thing.


The 2005 code requires AFCI protection of the branch circuit supplying all 120 volt 15 and 20 amp outlets INSTALLED in bedrooms of dwellings. A simple panel replacement usually does not involve any installation of new 120 volt outlets in bedrooms of dwellings, so therefore a careful read of the code section requiring afci protection will highlight the fact that "home inspectors" are generally as far off as my spelling seems to always be.

Re: ? for resi inspectors [Re: macmikeman] #162043 04/12/07 11:43 AM
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I assume it is universal but any permit pulled in Lee County Florida will go through plan review. It may just be a rubber stamp but it can also be kicked back if it does not include the things they require. That is where the decision would be made if a panel upgrade triggers AFCI installation.
Of course if this gets done without a permit I am not sure who would be there to tell you AFCIs would be required. It is certainly not going to be a home inspector. They are not legally able to cite code unless they are licensed CODE inspectors. Florida does not even recognize "home inspector" as a regulated industry and their "inspectors" are just informal advisors with an occupational license. A home inspector can advise a client of anything they want, down to their favorite color for the toilet but it has no force of law.


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Re: ? for resi inspectors [Re: gfretwell] #162044 04/12/07 11:46 AM
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BTW if you want a laugh, go over the the NACHI BB and see the ridiculous things working home inspectors think are "code".
http://www.nachi.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=19


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Re: ? for resi inspectors [Re: gfretwell] #162048 04/12/07 12:15 PM
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Greg:
Yes, we 'review' each app, but plans are not required for 'minor' work (EC's)

"Home Inspectors" can only 'suggest', not require anything here. Most, if not all 'suggest' that a Lic Professional be consulted (CYA on that)

John


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