ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Shout Box
Recent Posts
Calling all Non-US members!! (Non-US only)
by HotLine1. 06/13/18 01:50 PM
GE Lighting Recalls LED Tube Lamps
by Admin. 06/12/18 09:32 PM
Ketra Recalls Recessed Downlights
by Admin. 06/12/18 09:17 PM
diazed fuses
by Texas_Ranger. 06/11/18 07:31 AM
soda can fuse from UK, facebook
by wa2ise. 06/06/18 11:02 PM
New in the Gallery:
Plug terminals
Housebilding DIY wiring
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 41 guests, and 24 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Recessed lamp issue with picky builder #161864
04/08/07 04:21 PM
04/08/07 04:21 PM
R
Redsy  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,056
Bucks County PA
I'm aware that the maximum wattage allowable for a hi-hat is dictated by the trim and type of lamp.

Because I don't like the visibility of the socket and bracket on a standard Halo open type and even the stepped baffle trim, I install cone-type trims that completely obscure the lamp socket.
The label permits R30, 75-watt lamps.
The builder wants me to install R40 lamps in order to "fill-in" the trim more.

Although I refuse to do so, I am wondering what the issue may be if the wattage is the same, but the diameter increases?

Closer proximity to the trim?
Less heat dissipation?

Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades
Re: Recessed lamp issue with picky builder [Re: Redsy] #161889
04/09/07 03:41 AM
04/09/07 03:41 AM
E
e57  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,876
S.F.,CA USA
Originally Posted by Redsy

Closer proximity to the trim?
Less heat dissipation?


Yes, and yes. Lamps not listed on the trim/can are a violation of the UL listing.


Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason
Re: Recessed lamp issue with picky builder [Re: e57] #161890
04/09/07 07:13 AM
04/09/07 07:13 AM
HotLine1  Offline

Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,972
Brick, NJ USA
Ditto with Mark
John


John
Re: Recessed lamp issue with picky builder [Re: HotLine1] #161892
04/09/07 07:28 AM
04/09/07 07:28 AM
R
Redsy  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,056
Bucks County PA
Thanks, Guys.

I believe that when I leave, someone will change the lamps. I'm wondering what might happen.

I assume the thermal cutouts will cycle at some point.

John

John


Re: Recessed lamp issue with picky builder [Re: Redsy] #161893
04/09/07 08:00 AM
04/09/07 08:00 AM
J
john p  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 32
Bemidji,MN.USA
Talking aboat lamp types, How many of the fixtures are labled for use with the screw in flour. lts. Even regular lights will say use type A lamps. is it a violation.

Re: Recessed lamp issue with picky builder [Re: john p] #161894
04/09/07 08:17 AM
04/09/07 08:17 AM
HotLine1  Offline

Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,972
Brick, NJ USA
Thermals will cycle oversize lamps.
Yes, most recess are not listed for CF screw-in lamps.

What people do after inspections is between them and God.

John


John
Re: Recessed lamp issue with picky builder [Re: HotLine1] #161929
04/10/07 02:31 AM
04/10/07 02:31 AM
E
e57  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,876
S.F.,CA USA
It's between them and billing if its warantee issue...

I recently refused to replace a bare A-19 in a closet in a porciline. It broke of at the base, I took the base out and told them I would not put another lamp in it - and then told them about a family I met who had to jump out the second floor windows of thier house as it was on fire.... They then wanted a screw-in CF - nope! Same thing...


Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason
Re: Recessed lamp issue with picky builder [Re: Redsy] #161961
04/10/07 07:58 PM
04/10/07 07:58 PM
J
johnd24  Offline
Member
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 62
Why are you using halo??? There are mucher nicer can lights available.Try Progress 6" cans.Their cheap and the trim is coned and snaps tight to the ceiling.Also Nora makes nice cans in a variety of sizes and trims.


Featured:

2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
Vlado
Vlado
Croatia
Posts: 28
Joined: February 2011
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
twh 5
Popular Topics(Views)
247,584 Are you busy
184,916 Re: Forum
174,139 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1
(Release build 20180101)
Page Time: 0.030s Queries: 15 (0.005s) Memory: 0.9942 MB (Peak: 1.1579 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2018-06-19 15:52:52 UTC