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American tools in other countries #161716
04/06/07 10:21 PM
04/06/07 10:21 PM
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giddonah  Offline OP
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I tried searching for a straight answer, but came up short. When you take an electric device over seas and use a converter, does it just convert the voltage and give you 110V at 50hz? If you run a tool made for 60hz at 50hz, what happens?

Any ancillary information is welcome too.

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Re: American tools in other countries [Re: giddonah] #161717
04/06/07 11:12 PM
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Re: American tools in other countries [Re: RobbieD] #161718
04/07/07 12:00 AM
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giddonah  Offline OP
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seriously, I searched for 50hz and got nothing.

Re: American tools in other countries [Re: giddonah] #161736
04/07/07 08:14 AM
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It all depends on what type of motor is in the tool and some other details.

Induction motors, used on compressors, fans, etc., run in sync with the supply frequency, so rpm is a function of the number of poles in the stator windings and the supply frequency. Voltage does not affect rpm, except in that a 120v 60 hz motor connected across Europes' standard 230v 50hz may rapidly lose smoke!
Universal or 'brush' motors are used in drills and other hand tools to provide more power per lb weight, at the expense of more noise. The rpm of this type of motor is controlled by the voltage, as the motors are generally shunt wound. Back emf in the windings controls the speed. The 'universal' part of the name stems from the fact that many of these motors will actually run on a dc supply. Correct voltage is again vital to avoid possible destruction of the windings.
Cordless tools need charging. The difference between 50 and 60hz on a charger should be minimal, provided the voltages are near matched.

In Britain, all pro builders have to use 110v 50hz on site, and so they use transformers to obtain this from the mains supply at 230v. These are readily available, buy/hire, and a 120v 60hz US tool would be quite happy on this, if a little underpowered/slow.

Finally we need to consider electronic speed controls fitted to tools like drills, routers, sanders etc.. The frequency change may affect these controllers to an extent, depending on the actual electronics design.


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Re: American tools in other countries [Re: Alan Belson] #161764
04/07/07 03:11 PM
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giddonah  Offline OP
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thanks for your replies guys, I think I have enough now to bore my co-workers to death. Just the way I like it smile

Re: American tools in other countries [Re: Alan Belson] #161786
04/07/07 07:55 PM
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The other thing with 60 Hz induction motors ran at 50 Hz is that they will run hot.

Re: American tools in other countries [Re: LarryC] #161801
04/07/07 09:06 PM
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The other thing with 60 Hz induction motors ran at 50 Hz is that they will run hot


Yeah but when global warming alters the gulf stream, Europe will be colder so it should all work out.

... sorry wink


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Re: American tools in other countries [Re: gfretwell] #161833
04/08/07 05:44 AM
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These are readily available, buy/hire, and a 120v 60hz US tool would be quite happy on this, if a little underpowered/slow.


I have several U.S. handtools which I run on 50Hz here via a transformer. As Alan says, with the smaller universal-type motors typically used in drills, sanders, etc. it's not a problem.


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