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Not to bring up a bad subject...but #160916
03/27/07 05:19 PM
03/27/07 05:19 PM
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Are there any localities/states that have made an amendment to accept 8x8 reinforcement wire for the equipotential grid around a pool??
We have a 'buzz' going around here in NJ, but nothing official, in writing yet that I'm aware of.

John


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Re: Not to bring up a bad subject...but [Re: HotLine1] #160953
03/27/07 10:31 PM
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Florida is bouncing that around as we speak. Most are saying no.


Greg Fretwell
Re: Not to bring up a bad subject...but [Re: gfretwell] #160964
03/28/07 06:23 AM
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Greg:
I thought I saw that somewhere on the threads, Thanks.

A few pool contractors (EC's) over the last few days said the state (NJ) had a 'memo' out. I have not seen it, nor has anyone else.

Do the guys in your area have the pool builder do it, or does the EC 'build' the grid? My opinion, it should be part & parcel of the pool builder, and the EC should be responsible to properly install the bond.

John


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Re: Not to bring up a bad subject...but [Re: HotLine1] #160976
03/28/07 10:25 AM
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The way we are starting to see the grid here is they keep coming with the #3 rebar up past the tie beam on the pool shell, 3' out for the pool deck.
https://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s201/inspector830/Picture004.jpg

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Greg Fretwell
Re: Not to bring up a bad subject...but [Re: gfretwell] #161205
03/31/07 11:37 AM
03/31/07 11:37 AM
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I don't know....three (3) replies, AND 344 views?????

Anyone else have any comments???

Guess Greg & I are IT????

John

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John
Re: Not to bring up a bad subject...but [Re: HotLine1] #161226
03/31/07 03:59 PM
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I don't think most people have really read all of the changes to 680 and actually figured out what it means. I know it seemed like a shock to Florida once they actually read it (after adoption of course)
The new requirement does use the word "rods" (608.23(C)(1)) and that does preclude wire mesh. This is being revisited in 2008 and it may allow a single ring of 8 copper to bpnd the deck mesh. Around here we don't even see that much mesh. It is fiber in the concrete.


Greg Fretwell
Re: Not to bring up a bad subject...but [Re: HotLine1] #161281
04/01/07 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by HotLine1
I don't know....three (3) replies, AND 344 views?????


I am one of the views but I really do not know much about this subject.

Article 680 is not one I feel very confident commenting on.



Bob Badger
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Massachusetts
Re: Not to bring up a bad subject...but [Re: iwire] #161295
04/01/07 10:36 AM
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Bob:
A truly wise man speaks only on familiar items.

Thank you.

PS: I'm not a 680 'maven' either, but it's turning into a hot topic here.

John


John
Re: Not to bring up a bad subject...but [Re: HotLine1] #161409
04/02/07 08:14 PM
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It will get revisited in 2008 and if I read the ROC right we will be able to bond the deck with a single #8 copper loop, connected to the shell in 4 places. The depth of this wire sounds a bit confusing to me. What does
Quote
4-6" below sub grade
mean?


Greg Fretwell
Re: Not to bring up a bad subject...but [Re: gfretwell] #161432
04/02/07 11:31 PM
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4-6" below the grade of the pool deck of course. The pool deck being the finished grade and the sub grade being the bottom of the pool deck.

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