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#157565 - 11/29/05 09:58 PM Liens  
highground  Offline
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 53
Chama, NM
Has anybody had to file a lien against a nonpaying customer, how did it go, was it sucessful, etc?

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#157566 - 11/29/05 11:57 PM Re: Liens  
hbiss  Offline
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 886
Hawthorne, NY USA
I came close but they paid up. What I do is fill out the paper work, make a copy and send it to the customer certified mail. If there is a landlord or building owner they get one too. Note that at this point it isn't filed but they don't know that.


#157567 - 11/30/05 07:07 AM Re: Liens  
LearJet9  Offline
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 197
Millis, MA USA
It works just fine. Usually just the paperwork will get a payment. We went to court with two over a number of years; Judge ordered payment plus interest. Tried for triple damage in one of the two but didn't get it.

#157568 - 11/30/05 10:18 AM Re: Liens  
Tiger  Offline
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 706
Crystal Lake, IL USA
When a client went bankrupt I lost a lein plus legal fees. I'd think long & hard before repeating the process. Sometimes a Certified letter with the threat of a lein (as in legal fees and interest will be added to the invoice) is enough to get payment.


#157569 - 11/30/05 11:11 PM Re: Liens  
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Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 687
Grayslake IL, USA
They are called mechanics liens here. It has nothing to do with cars. I think it was something to do with people in the trades were call mechanics years ago.
Once you know how to do the paper work it's not hard. It doesnot cost much more then $20 to do it yourself here.

The key is you need to understand the process, paper work and time limits. Every place is different.

In IL you should send (certified return reciept) them an intent to file lien letter first. This is an important step here. You have a limit of ... days (I want to say 90)after work was completed. Returning for punch lists or warrenty work does not count. I believe there is an exception for a verbal notice but your much better with paper then words said. If you really wanted to cover yourself you could give this to the owner at the start. Sort of a hello, thank you for the work, I don't care who you pay if you didn't get a lien waiver from me then I was not paid so I will go after you welcome letter.

Then you have .... days (I think 120 but I'm not looking) to have a lien fieled with the county recorder. I get all the above noterized and copied also. Sometimes I mailed the forms in. But It can take a long time for them to turn it around. I have had it where the county has made a mistake and not recorded it. By the time it was returned to me it was pas the date. If the amount is anything major and time is short you would be best to file it in person.

The problem with the time limit is it can be easy fo a customer or GC on a big job to try to string you past the time limit.

With that said about the time limit there is nothing stopping you from fieling late. The people at the county recorders here are just rubber stampers. They don't care who owes who how much, who got paid, if things where done in the time limits, etc.. As long as you provide the required information and the correct fileing fee it will be recorded. Cook and Dupage County you can look up all on the internet as far as legal discriptions, owners, other liens, and other transactions for the property.

So what happens if you file a lien after the time limit. You can bluff the home owner. Unless they hire an attorny they will not know any better. If they want to pay for an attorny then they can take you to court and demand the lien is released.

Have not been to court yet but have been told that the looser pays court fees and if I win I can collect my attorny fees.

I have also herd of a few times that a customer my try to offer a lesser amount to release an old lien. In most cases that means they need to clear the lien for some property transaction. They say to hold your ground and then you will be paid soon.

Does it work. Yes. Just today I picked up a check for a generator job we did early this year. Also have a customer that we did a bath at the end of last year that will be closing on a house and moving out of state soon. He wanted to offer $500 on a $4500 job to reliese the lien. Ya, right.

Something that happened to several home owners is they hired a GC. The GC hierd us. Work was done. GC was paid but not the EC. SO the HO gets a lien. I can't say it's the fairest system but I deserve to get paid.

I believe in IL you have a right to collect 18% interst on a lien here. I never collect because I was just happy to get whats owed and get over it.

I can't say what happens to liens in a bankruptcy.

Dave if you or anyone elce wants help with a lien in IL just email me. It's not hard. Some one elce just asked me the other day to show them so they would not have to allways pay an attorny to do it.


#157570 - 12/01/05 11:08 PM Re: Liens  
Electric Eagle  Offline
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 914
Alpharetta, GA
Unfortunately, I have had to file a few liens. I use a service that costs about $100 per lien. I pay it gladly to save the time and make sure it is filed properly and all the notices get sent. In my state you have 90 days after the last day work was performed to file the lien and 1 year from that point to file a lawsuit or your claim is dead. Recently, I did just that for $5600 owed on 3 properties from 1 GC. 1 day before trial they offered to settle for the full amount over 3 months, I accepted. If we'd gone to court, they probably would've lost and owed my attorney's fees and interest, but the judge could've made me take less so I'm happy with the settlement.

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