ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Shout Box
Recent Posts
Pull out fuse panel?
by wa2ise. 12/14/18 05:09 PM
Video door bell causing chime activation of coil
by gfretwell. 12/10/18 12:35 AM
Conduit fill Calculations
by gfretwell. 12/08/18 08:39 PM
Swimming Pool question
by HotLine1. 12/05/18 12:37 PM
Tingle off the water spigot
by rmiell. 11/30/18 01:03 PM
New in the Gallery:
What is this for?
Plug terminals
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 25 guests, and 11 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Asbestos, worry or a fallicy? #151367
12/07/06 04:40 AM
12/07/06 04:40 AM
Trumpy  Offline
OP
Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,253
SI,New Zealand
Guys,
I realise that we have have arguments in this Forum about Asbestos.
And I was on the side of the manufacturers.
That was until the other night.
One qualifying statement would be is that I was a Paid FF with the guy that is about to give his story.
There was a building in Timaru that burned to the ground last weekend, it used to be a factory, that shut down 4-5 years ago.
It was an old apparel factory, the roof was made of asbestos, much like a lot of the older roofs in Ashburton are.
Fire Safety Officers said at the time that the tiles had no asbestos.
Samples sent to ESR (Government Scientific research), said that the roof was made entirely of asbestos.
Gary, the Officer in Charge at the time said that had he known that asbestos was in there at the time, he would have held his Fire-Fighters back.
Even though they were wearing Breathing Apparatus.
IMHO, I would have let the place burn.
Even dampening down with asbestos is risky, get the fire as hot as you can

Arc Flash PPE Clothing, LOTO & Insulated Tools
Re: Asbestos, worry or a fallicy? #151368
12/07/06 11:16 AM
12/07/06 11:16 AM
renosteinke  Offline
Cat Servant
Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,316
Blue Collar Country
I suspect that far more folks are hurt by entering a burning building to fight a fire, than will ever suffer from asbestos exposure.

In other words, one has to keep his risks in perspective.

In the broadest sense, asbestos was used in so many products - nearly everything - that I'd suspect any car or building made before 1974 has some form of it somewhere. Yet, that paints a distorted picture.

If the asbestos is part of a matrix, such as in cement roof tiles, or vinyl floor covering, or auto brake pads, it is almost impossible for them to ever present a hazard by mere "exposure."
Even exposed, if the fibers are of a longer type -such as was used in firefighter coats and 'hot pads,' the risks posed by it is slight.

A different picture is painted when the fibers are short, and are being sprayed on pipes. It's no accident that the major studies of asbestos risk have involved folks who sprayed the stuff on shipboard piping!

Then, there is the matter of identification; I was recently at one job, where the beams and rafters in the "atic: were coated with a dusty, flakey, white fireproofing compound. Testing proved it to be a cement product- no asbestos at all.
The plaster that was used for the ceiling - plaster applied to wire lath - DID test positive, however. Go figure!

As a firefighter, well, you really have neither the time, nor the equipment, to make the proper tests.
You're suited up like spacemen, breathing pure canned air, and perfectly deployed to hose off afterward... where's the risk?
If there's a risk to anyone, it's to the guys who have to clean up the mess later.


Featured:

2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
AllClear
AllClear
Belmond Iowa US
Posts: 44
Joined: August 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
Popular Topics(Views)
252,223 Are you busy
189,195 Re: Forum
178,877 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1
(Release build 20180101)
Page Time: 0.018s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 0.9460 MB (Peak: 1.0598 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2018-12-15 22:55:21 UTC