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Weird table of voltages/frequencies #140631 04/18/04 04:01 PM
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At a flea markte I bought a book about video that dates 1982. The appendix shows a table of worldwide TV systems, voltages and frequencies. Some entries were that weird I wanted to share them - just for fun.
It is sorted by TV systmes.
NTSC: USA System M channels A2-13, A14-83 120, 230, 240V 60Hz b/w: USA

PAL:
UK I 21-68 240/415V 60 (!) Hz, UK
Hongkong I E21-60 200/220/346V 50 Hz
Ireland (ROI) I A-J, 29-43 220/380V 50Hz, Belgian
Luxembourg C, G E 7, 27 110/220V (???) 50 Hz Belgian
NZ B NZ 1-10 230/240/415V, 50Hz CCIR
Norway: 230V only. No 3ph???
South Africa I I4-13, 21-68 220/230/380V 50 Hz, UK

SECAM:
Cyprus B (H) E 5-11 115/400V 50 Hz CCIR
Luxembourg L(V) 21 380V 50 Hz Belgian
Sowjet Union D, K(V) R1-12, 21-69 127/220/380V 50Hz OIRT

All other Eastern block countries aren't even mentioned. GDR had SECAM, some others supposedly as well, others PAL. There are still some videos around that have a sticker: SECAM (GDR) reception!

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Re: Weird table of voltages/frequencies #140632 04/18/04 04:16 PM
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Well, you could have 60Hz here if you care to run your own generator or converter-set. But then if you do that, you could have anything, anywhere! [Linked Image]

These tables are notoriously unreliable, but this one looks worse than most.

Apparently Luxembourg has 110/220V service available for system-C receivers, but you can only run system-L sets on 3-phase! (Seems more likely that Luxembourg was a mix of 127/220 and 220/380 systems 20 yeas ago.)

I wonder why "Belgian" is tacked on the end of several entries? [Linked Image]

Re: Weird table of voltages/frequencies #140633 04/18/04 09:28 PM
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The Irish listing is almost correct although I have no idea why you would want to use a 380V 3-phase television!

Correct info:

220/380V 50Hz

TV System: 625 line PAL I (with teletext & nicam digital stereo)
Channel Scheme : Irish
Licenced channels:
Band 1 (Low VHF) Channels A, B, C (No longer used for broadcast TV but still in use on cable)
Band 2 (Used on cable only)
Band 3 (High VHF) Channels D, E, F, G, H, I, J (J is no longer used for TV)

UHF Channels 21 - 69

Actual VHF Frequencies:
Band I Vision Sound (Mhz)
A (2) 45.75 51.75
B (3) 53.75 59.75
C (4) 61.75 67.75
Band III Vision Sound (Mhz)
D (5) 175.25 181.25
E (6) 183.25 189.25
F (7) 191.25 197.25
G (8) 199.25 205.25
H (9) 207.25 203.25
I (10) 215.25 221.25
J (11) 223.25 229.25

MDS Frequencies: Vision / Sound (Mhz) (Now used to carry digital multiplexes)
m1
2501.25 / 2507.25
m2
2509.25 / 2515.25
m3
2517.25 / 2523.25
m4
2525.25 / 2531.25
m5
2533.25 2539.25
m6
2541.25 2547.25
m7
2549.25 2555.25
m8
2557.25 2563.25
m9
2565.25 2571.25
m10
2573.25 2579.25
m11
2581.25 2587.25
m12
2589.25 2595.25
m13
2597.25 2603.25
m14
2605.25 2611.25
m15
2613.25 2619.25
m16
2621.25 2627.25
m17
2629.25 2635.25
m18
2637.25 2643.25
m19
2645.25 2651.25
m20
2653.25 2659.25
m21
2661.25 2667.25
m22
2669.25 2675.25

Re: Weird table of voltages/frequencies #140634 04/19/04 02:45 AM
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Guess so, I had a real good laugh.
The last entry (UK, CCIR, Belgian) refers to the method of black-and-white transmission.
127/220/380V (i.e. 127V 3ph w/o neutral, 220/380 3ph) was usually listed seperately, but maybe they mixed it up for Luxembourg.
Every country has the 3ph voltage listed if commonly available.
The header said you could have your video equipment converted to work on any system and this was supposed to give you+ TV technician information to do the conversion. Whatever. poor guys if anyone actually tried that.

Re: Weird table of voltages/frequencies #140635 04/19/04 06:02 AM
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What's the Belgian method of broadcasting B/W TV?!

This gives you all the technical details of the various systems
http://www.pembers.freeserve.co.uk/World-TV-Standards/Transmission-Systems.html

Re: Weird table of voltages/frequencies #140636 04/19/04 07:34 AM
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No idea. Just copied it from the book.
They say the differences are negligible in most cases.
BTW I'd really love to see the 380V TV set from Luxembourg! [Linked Image]

Re: Weird table of voltages/frequencies #140637 04/19/04 08:42 AM
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I've seen the odd tourist take that sort of advice WAY too seriously and arrive in Ireland with big bag of utterly useless adaptors.

Re: Weird table of voltages/frequencies #140638 04/20/04 03:43 AM
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DJK's link looks a fairly comprehensive reference, and certainly better than most! [Linked Image]

Have a look here for a short article on the closure of the old British 405-line system:
http://www.meldrum.co.uk/mhp/features/405death.html

Re: Weird table of voltages/frequencies #140639 04/20/04 05:08 AM
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"I wonder why "Belgian" is tacked on the end of several entries? "

Yes, I wonder why !?

Sorry for tacking this thred too, Paul! [Linked Image]

Re: Weird table of voltages/frequencies [Re: Texas_Ranger] #213634 06/14/14 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Texas_Ranger
At a flea markte I bought a book about video that dates 1982. The appendix shows a table of worldwide TV systems, voltages and frequencies. Some entries were that weird I wanted to share them - just for fun.
It is sorted by TV systmes.
NTSC: USA System M channels A2-13, A14-83 120, 230, 240V 60Hz b/w: USA

PAL:
UK I 21-68 240/415V 60 (!) Hz, UK
Hongkong I E21-60 200/220/346V 50 Hz
Ireland (ROI) I A-J, 29-43 220/380V 50Hz, Belgian
Luxembourg C, G E 7, 27 110/220V (???) 50 Hz Belgian
NZ B NZ 1-10 230/240/415V, 50Hz CCIR
Norway: 230V only. No 3ph???
South Africa I I4-13, 21-68 220/230/380V 50 Hz, UK

SECAM:
Cyprus B (H) E 5-11 115/400V 50 Hz CCIR
Luxembourg L(V) 21 380V 50 Hz Belgian
Sowjet Union D, K(V) R1-12, 21-69 127/220/380V 50Hz OIRT

All other Eastern block countries aren't even mentioned. GDR had SECAM, some others supposedly as well, others PAL. There are still some videos around that have a sticker: SECAM (GDR) reception!


I see this are a late answer, but:
Noray has 2 systems running, Old 230 delta IT 3 phase or single phase. Newer 230/400 single/3-phase as the rest of Europe.

dsk

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