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Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best? #126944
03/17/01 02:44 PM
03/17/01 02:44 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline OP
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Hello all,

I've brought this up before, but I don't think there was any real determination on the best way to bond a pool. BTW, I put it over here in the theory section because it's not really a code issue as it can be done either way.

The code just states that the pool and all equipment associated with it be bonded together. Connection of the bonding wire to the EGC of the Power source is optional. Which way would be better? And Why?

Bill

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Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best? #126945
03/17/01 06:56 PM
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i am weak in this area also....

just what is a "voltage gradient" anyway?

is there a reason for solid vs. stranded?

a side note; just what in the world is "underwater audio" ?
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Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best? #126946
03/17/01 09:10 PM
03/17/01 09:10 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline OP
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Sparky,

My understandings:

a Voltage Gradient is a difference in potential from one area to another. Solid is better (I think) because it holds up better against the elements and can take more damage?

Underwater audio? you mean Sonar?? [Linked Image] [Linked Image]

Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best? #126947
03/18/01 07:08 AM
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ok , so what if there is a difference in potential from the pool area to the service area?
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I guess i can understand how solid would be hardier...
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ps- 680-23 was the next code, do people really want underwater speakers installed? maybe i've lead a sheltered life up here, i've never seen such an install, i can't imagine how it would work...
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Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best? #126948
03/18/01 10:47 AM
03/18/01 10:47 AM
Bill Addiss  Offline OP
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Sparky,

I think the issue is having a difference in potential in the pool itself or immediately adjacent to it. Can you imagine Current flowing through the water all the time?

An interesting Article:
http://www.aquaticsintl.com/AI/Issues/Current/99/sep_oct/feature4.shtml

I don't know what Underwater speakers would sound like, probably a lot of Base? I don't expect to be puttin in any. Maybe Seaworld could use them for something.

Bill

Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best? #126949
03/18/01 11:10 AM
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Note there is many $$$$ to correct a problem that a simple GFI would detect in this article.

There is also mention of the high V side of the service sustaining damage, creating the problem here.

Materials used to "bond" are in question here, so your original Q marches on...

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Re: Re: Pool Bonding - which way is best? #126950
03/23/01 06:31 AM
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In regards to the original Q. 680 confuses me on the subject, so my approach is to simply overground such installations.

by this is mean extra clamps, rods, bonds , etc. to anything available.

a rather paranoid approach, but so far no grief from the AHJ

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