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Romex and the Strip Mall Fire #122911
02/03/06 08:42 AM
02/03/06 08:42 AM
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Hello to all , i just joined the website , i am looking foward to all it has to offer, i too keep a camera with me and would like to share some photos . last week i was sent to a strip mall where there was a fire, check out the mess i found ! also see the thin wire that looks like a slinky that is the remains of the exaust fan


John (jynb)


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Re: Romex and the Strip Mall Fire #122912
02/03/06 11:29 AM
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Thanks for the pictures John. And let me say Welcome to ECN.

What a mess. Let me guess, the cause of the fire has been determined to be an electrical fault, right?


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Re: Romex and the Strip Mall Fire #122913
02/03/06 06:38 PM
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What ever happened to "a workman like manner?"

Welcome to ECN.

Re: Romex and the Strip Mall Fire #122914
02/03/06 08:49 PM
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Since when is romex used in commercial installations? [Linked Image]

Re: Romex and the Strip Mall Fire #122915
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Since when is romex used in commercial installations?


Everyday.


Ryan Jackson,
Salt Lake City
Re: Romex and the Strip Mall Fire #122916
02/04/06 09:00 AM
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thanks ryan- the key here isn't the romex, it's the way it was installed.

there are thousands of buildings wired correctly in romex that function properly everyday.

the only thing that really catches my eye is that there is mc/bx in the building, makes me wonder about the occupancy and the allowable wiring methods here. Also, if the MC/BX was the original install, whoever ran romex didn't keep the integrity of the building or perform in a workmanlike manner.

but don't blame the romex, it was the romexer that's to blame.

Re: Romex and the Strip Mall Fire #122917
02/05/06 02:53 AM
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I've yet to come across romex installed in a commercial installation over here. (at least that wasn't put in by someones cousins friends uncles brother-in-law who knows "lectricull")

Most houses here of the romex era are wired with romex, and I personally have nothing against that when it's done properly... But finding romex in a strip mall would suprise me about as much as the schuko outlet I found in someones garage... in Cerritos, California [Linked Image]

Re: Romex and the Strip Mall Fire #122918
02/05/06 11:16 AM
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I run into an awful lot of NM used to wire 2x4s in commercial drop ceilings. I believe that the majority of these buildings were inspected, so it must have been legal at one point, yes?

-John

Re: Romex and the Strip Mall Fire #122919
02/05/06 11:39 AM
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I know of only one commercial building here that was done in Romex.. Only thing is its a metal clad, wood framed building... because its "combustable" they allowed romex, and the only point at which it is visable is where it emerges from the wall and enters the panel... anything that is exposed or would be such as if there was going to be a drop ceiling in the original plans somewhere, the drops to the lights would have been in BX cable...
A.D

Re: Romex and the Strip Mall Fire #122920
02/05/06 11:51 PM
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I do not understand what the issue is when using NM cable in a commercial installation.

For those who may think it is not permitted, please provide us with the section number of the NEC.


Pierre Belarge
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