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Return Ground Path #121802
08/22/05 11:00 PM
08/22/05 11:00 PM
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What would be the danger of leaving the conduit(emt), connected to a panel with a feed from another source?

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Re: Return Ground Path #121803
08/23/05 11:55 AM
08/23/05 11:55 AM
RSmike  Offline
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 134
Holland, MI USA
Are we talking about mixing wyes and deltas in this little diagram?? And how is this thing all grounded/bonded?? Generator transfer switch??

This isn't my area of expertise so I need more hints....


Re: Return Ground Path #121804
08/24/05 05:55 PM
08/24/05 05:55 PM
richard  Offline
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Posts: 98
L.I. New York
The generator is 480 volt to a transfer switch, then to a disco, which feeds a step down transformer (step down to 3 phase 208/120 volt) with the neutral coming off the x-o lug of the transformer. The customer wants to refeed an existing panel off the generator panel and abandon the existing feed(when all is ok with the poco feed the generator is on standby, and when they lose power the generator kicks on). my question is this, If I leave the emt connected to the existing panel, will I be creating a hazard(since there will be two ground paths going back to the main switchgear?

Re: Return Ground Path #121805
08/24/05 09:03 PM
08/24/05 09:03 PM
winnie  Offline
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boston, ma
I presume that you are asking about leaving the EMT connected, but that the feeder (and thus any ground/neutral bond upstream of the feeder) will be disconnected.

I don't believe that this will result in any significant hazard, and don't believe that there is any code violation. What you will be leaving is a loop structure in the non-current carrying bonded metal. While this is a violation in current carrying conductors (unintentional parallel paths, parallel paths through equipment grounding conductors, neutral to ground fault, etc.), it is expected in non-current carrying metal.

The only time in code where loop paths are to be avoided in conduit systems are when current carrying conductors are not carried in the same conduit as their 'anti-parallel' conductors (I'm trying to come up with a general term for the complete set of conductors comprising a circuit which carry net balanced current. Loop paths that include unbalanced current carrying conductors become transformer secondaries, and can carry considerable current.

Only in some rather specific examples (MRI rooms, certain communications facilities, etc.) is a particular attempt made to insure proper star grounding with no loops, and this is not a considered a safety issue, but a design issue.

I suppose that in an environment with particularly strong and changing magnetic fields, closed paths in the conduit system could become a safety hazard; this is the issue with unbalanced current carrying conductors, but it might be an issue with high field magnets for research.


Re: Return Ground Path #121806
08/25/05 10:01 PM
08/25/05 10:01 PM
Larry Fine  Offline
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Posts: 693
Richmond, VA
"I'm trying to come up with a general term for the complete set of conductors comprising a circuit which carry net balanced current."

How about "all phases and neutral", or APAN for short?

Larry Fine
Fine Electric Co.
Re: Return Ground Path #121807
08/26/05 12:20 AM
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