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#120021 02/22/05 09:27 AM
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First two photos are demo of brick veneer in garage conversion. This is the original garage recep found buried and still live behind the veneer. That's me in the photo. I'm the one with the roto-hammer. The NM you see is an extension to a recep added during the garage conversion.

Pictures 3 & 4 are in the bathroom. The original bath recep was walled over and still live. Note the old grounding method of the wire around the nail. This is original from when the house was built in the late 50's early 60's. Photo 4 is the end of the bar hanger for ceiling outlet. The "ground wire" went to a clamp on the water heater CW pipe. The only outlets so grounded in the house appear to be kitchen, baths, and in the attic (light and FAU). This would seem to pre-date the method of the ground wire connected to the box externally using a stove bolt.

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Gidday there Sandsnow!. [Linked Image]
Good pictures.
Is that some sort of a vent pipe just above your head in the first pic?.
If there is one thing I can't stand, it's when people join wires in a wall, and then cover them over.
I can't say that I'm very keen on the termination methods used on them Ground wires either, a bit of a waste of time really. [Linked Image]

#120023 02/22/05 08:29 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure someone will [Linked Image])

I think the first recps to require grounding by the NEC were laundry recps, weren't they?

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Scott, I believe you're correct. The 1947 code required a receptacle "of the grounding type" for the laundry area.

Roger

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trumpy
The vent is the chimney for a stove demo'd along with the veneer.

Interesting the first grounded recep was laundry and not the bath.


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How many appliances normally used in a bathroom have grounded plugs? The requirement that they be grounded outlets has no effect on the end user in most cases. But a GFCI helps either way.

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That's a rather good point, pdh.
With the proliferation of Double-Insulated Appliances, where the body of the appliance is pre-dominantly plastic, what is the point of a Grounded outlet?.
Or is it more sort of damage-control in the instance where someone might bring a metallic heater into the Bathroom, that does require a Ground?.

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Oddly enough Electure,
I thought that the lady to the right in the first pic, was wearing a dust mask.
Upon closer scrutiny, I see that your Photoshop has been at work!. [Linked Image]

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Trump, Besides protecting her identity, she's pretty, and I was afraid you wouldn't pay any attention to the subject matter [Linked Image]

Check out the 2nd pic, what do you see?

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With the proliferation of Double-Insulated Appliances, where the body of the appliance is pre-dominantly plastic, what is the point of a Grounded outlet?.
Or is it more sort of damage-control in the instance where someone might bring a metallic heater into the Bathroom, that does require a Ground?.

Oddly enough, the appliances in my kitchen that have a 3-prong plug have mainly plastic housings (food processor and blender), while the 2-prong plugs are on cooking appliances (toaster, electric griddle, etc.) that have metal exteriors. (I know ... they fall under different UL standards, and grounds aren't required on some appliances.)

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