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#117780 07/08/04 10:03 PM
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Rewiring a kitchen at this house and the homeowner wants to know why the gfi breaker for the pool keeps tripping.
Picture one shows the receptacle for the pump.
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Picture two shows the pump. Notice no bond connected to the bonding lug.
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Picture three is the cord cap for the pump, ground pin removed.
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Picture four shows the solution. Plug into this cord and find a non gfci receptacle.
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Picture five is a look at the laundry room wiring. Over all the place is a mess except of course the new wiring in the kitchen!

Scott (aka Electricmanscott)
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Picture three is the cord cap for the pump, ground pin removed.

Looks like ½ the hot blade is removed (burned?) also! [Linked Image]

Does the HO care to solve the issues here? or just another "as long as it works...."


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i see the outlet is intalled ground down. Can anyone give an arguement on why it SHOULD be ground down? [Linked Image]

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Can anyone give an arguement on why it SHOULD be ground down?

Lets not go down that road, the NEC allows ground up or down so each of us can install them how we like them.

Given these pictures there are much more important things to address than the ground up or down.

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#117784 07/09/04 09:31 AM
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There's some bad stuff there to be sure.

Looking at that pic of the plug there also doesn't appear to be the usual hole at the end of the neutral blade. Could it be an Japanese cord set or something like that? I thought that all NEMA-approved fittings had the holes on 15 and 20A devices.

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Ye Gods...

It never fails to amaze me [Linked Image] - imagine some poor kid just wanting to cool off one afternoon...


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Homeowner really didn't seem to care. Did not ask me to fix it. I told him i would not swim there. [Linked Image]

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Well, to go down that road further. No disrespect Bob but i have a very good reason to ask this question. Imagine what would happen if your son/daughter of young age crawls over to a plug that is partially hanging out (nothing abnormal about this right) and, Oh say... drops a penny ir other small object between the prongs, would ya say different then?
its a little hard to do that ground up. And this is a chatroom right? Or should we only talk about things we all agree on?
If so let me know and ill shut up? Thx, Tim

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Tim you do not have to shut up, why not start a new thread on the subject of the ground up or ground down? [Linked Image]

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The orientation of the receptacle is the least of the problems here.
You have no bonding, no equipment grounding, emt feeding underground, improper cord installation, receptacle to close to the pool, gfci tripping, proably more that I am not thinking of right now.

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