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Another Flying Splice.... #116364
03/30/04 01:04 AM
03/30/04 01:04 AM
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flying splice above new install

- richard

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Re: Another Flying Splice.... #116365
03/30/04 09:05 PM
03/30/04 09:05 PM
GA76JW  Offline
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 193
Suwanee, GA USA
What's with all the wire-nuts in there? I am really not sure, but is that against code also. I have always been told to keep wire-nuts out of a panel and that an inspector does not like to see that.

Can anyone confirm if that is a violation also or if it is just common practice?

"If common sense was common, everyone would have it"-not sure, someone here

Re: Another Flying Splice.... #116366
03/30/04 09:45 PM
03/30/04 09:45 PM
CTwireman  Offline
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 840
Connecticut, USA

The wire connectors are not against code at all, as long as they don't fill more than 75 % of the cross-sectional area of the panelboard. See 312.8 of the 2002 NEC. That does not appear to be a problem in this picture.

An inspector may not like to see the wirenuts, but there's nothing he can do about it. [Linked Image]

Re: Another Flying Splice.... #116367
03/30/04 09:51 PM
03/30/04 09:51 PM
Jim M  Offline
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 457
Chestertown, MD, USA
It is a shame that 'neat and workmanlike' is unenforceable. To see a new install that looks this poor I can't find an excuse for. I certainly wouldn't feel that I got my monies worth had I paid either a employee or contracted the work.

Re: Another Flying Splice.... #116368
03/30/04 11:48 PM
03/30/04 11:48 PM
n1ist  Offline
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 183
Malden MA
I know it says new install, but that really looks like a combination of a panel replacement with new circuits (the colored romex) added. That would explain all the wire nuts to extend the old stuff. I guess the flying splice was too short to make it into the panel... It also looks like some of the cable clamps have more than the one allowed piece of romex in them.

Re: Another Flying Splice.... #116369
03/31/04 07:28 AM
03/31/04 07:28 AM
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Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 4,280
Fullerton, CA USA
And then there's the issue of the staples

Re: Another Flying Splice.... #116370
03/31/04 07:30 PM
03/31/04 07:30 PM
richard  Offline
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 99
L.I. New York
our company was called after the inspector red tagged the splice. This panel is a 200 amp upgrade from the old 100 that was there. I would have to guess that this was a green helper that did this, because the outside looks fine. It was a shame the customer didn't call us first.

Re: Another Flying Splice.... #116371
03/31/04 07:43 PM
03/31/04 07:43 PM
Electricmanscott  Offline
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,457
Holden, MA USA
Is this really that bad? Splice excluded, it looks not much different than the average service upgrade.

Re: Another Flying Splice.... #116372
03/31/04 09:43 PM
03/31/04 09:43 PM
DougW  Offline
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,143
North Chicago, IL
When I redid Grandma's service (see pics here

I was originally going to install a gutter to terminate the NM into, then use 3/4" EMT nipples to the new CB Panel with THHN inbetween. Luckily there was enough line to play with where I didn't wind up "extending" every run w/wirenuts, and was able to install the new panel in a good spot.

The only possible violation I can see (other than the flier, and possible 12AWG extensions of 14AWG NM conductors - L side of panel) is multiple NM's per connector at the top of the panel box (3rd from right side)...

Agree it is ugly [Linked Image] ...

[This message has been edited by DougW (edited 03-31-2004).]

Re: Another Flying Splice.... #116373
03/31/04 09:43 PM
03/31/04 09:43 PM
n1ist  Offline
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 183
Malden MA
I just noticed the white wire on the upper left 220V breaker...

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