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#112764 09/14/01 12:03 AM
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I've heard that the "loophole" that's allowed Alarm, Data, & other LV types to get away with coming in after-the-fact (inspections) to do their work is being closed with the 2002 NEC. Is this true??

Sure would be nice. We do our best to comply with the codes, and make a safe installation, only to have these guys come in and blow a hole the size of a small dog through a firewall to install their tiny cables after we're done.
(These fellas were pretty sloppy, ehh?)
Scott (Electure)

#112765 09/14/01 06:27 AM
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wiring is all the same to the general public, so these sorts give us all a bad name. I thought art 800 builds on the first 3 chaps. of the NEC, it does not exclude it as far as i have read ( but i read slow)
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#112766 09/14/01 07:13 AM
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"Chapter 8 ... is independent of the other chapters except where they are speciffically referenced therein." 90-3


#112767 09/14/01 07:44 AM
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I'm actually glad to see this. I thought my company was the only place that looked like this!!

#112768 09/14/01 07:24 PM
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by golly it does say that!
oh well...
so much for neat & workmanlike !

#112769 09/16/01 11:14 AM
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About time for that loop hole to be closed. Too many inspectors tell me that security, telco,and TV are not my area to inspect.
Can see junk like this in just about every commercial building around here. much worse if there has been tenant changes.

#112770 09/22/01 08:04 PM
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i hear rumor that it will

#112771 09/22/01 09:26 PM
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2002 NEC 760.2:
Abandoned Fire Alarm Cable. Installed fire alarm cable
that is not terminated at equipment other than a connector
and not identified for future use with a tag.

760.3(A) Spread of Fire or Products of Combustion. Section
300.21. The accessible portion of abandoned fire alarm
cables shall not be permitted to remain.

760.61(A) Plenum. Cables installed in ducts, plenums, and other
spaces used for environmental air shall be Type FPLP.
Abandoned cables shall not be permitted to remain. Types
FPLP, FPLR, and FPL cables installed in compliance with
300.22 shall be permitted.

These new restrictions show up in other Chapter 7 and 8 articles.

Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

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