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Re: This Has to be the Worst ! ... #111480 12/14/06 07:10 PM
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BigJohn Offline
Is it me broken eyes or is that really #10 going to those two 50A double-poles in the bottom of that panel?

This is so bad it's almost a moral question: Do you bid low and repair it just to save the guy from himself??

That's painful to look at.


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Re: This Has to be the Worst ! ... #111481 12/14/06 08:11 PM
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EV607797 Offline
We still have Westinghouse meters around here being installed. I think that they are probably refurbished though. I think that service looks brand-new myself. My guess would be that the house was a dump and needed a full gutting.

Maybe they hired an EC to install a new service and probably had one circuit (properly) installed to a GFI receptacle. Note the new-looking MC cable leaving the upper left corner of the panel.

It's still a pretty sloppy looking service with the SEU cable being done like that.

I agree that it doesn't appear that there's anything larger than #8 in the panel, but my eyesight and monitor are so bad that I can't say for sure what the breaker ratings are. I did ask myself the same question though.

Since when are devices installed during rough wiring? What about two-gang boxes for single devices? Oh, I get it.........One gang required per cable!

How about a home run of 12/2 marked for "hallway light"? A single 20 amp circuit for a hallway light? No wonder they have such a big panel already being loaded up with skinnies!

Sad, sad, sad. No doubt that it's really a total gut job for sure now.

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Re: This Has to be the Worst ! ... #111482 12/14/06 09:29 PM
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Celtic Offline
But it looked so easy in the book....
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Re: This Has to be the Worst ! ... #111483 12/14/06 11:39 PM
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Lostazhell Offline
EV, I agree on the panel and the meter can being new, but that white pullcan that the meter is feeding from appears older than dirt... Over here in CA when we do a service upgrade, we just plug the old meter back into the panel.... Most of em here are CL200 unless you're getting into really old stuff....

I also dont see any type of seal on the meter can....

Re: This Has to be the Worst ! ... #111484 12/22/06 09:34 PM
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allen476 Offline
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As far as I can tell the 8/3 is being fed from a 60A breaker and the 10/3 is being fed from a 50A breaker. I would like to see the inside of the meter can as I believe that it is probably reverse wired.

Re: This Has to be the Worst ! ... #111485 12/22/06 11:42 PM
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yaktx Offline
Westinghouse sold their meter division to ABB in 1990. The later models are definitely still being refurbished and re-used.

Yes, I would agree that the service is probably pre-existing. Are there any utilities left in North America that will allow a new residential service in a basement?

Re: This Has to be the Worst ! ... #111486 12/23/06 08:19 AM
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pauluk Offline
Why was the flying splice in pic #3 there anyway? Maybe the guy was planning on another light there (like the one with the open splice to the right), or maybe his roll of Romex just ran out at that point so he wirenutted on another and carried on!

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Re: This Has to be the Worst ! ... #111487 12/23/06 09:10 AM
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john p Offline
Now we know were are scrap wire ends up when we scrap it.

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