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Grandparents' Bath #111300
10/29/06 07:55 AM
10/29/06 07:55 AM
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This from Theelectirikid
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In my grandparent's house, in the basement, the previous owner installed a bathroom on one side. They put up two walls, one separating it from the laundry room, the other from the "main" area.
My great uncle "installed" a light for my grandfather. Here's how he
wired it.

Pic 1, a picture of the light. Yes that's a grounded outlet on the
side.

[Linked Image]

Pic 2, a piece of two-wire (non-grounded) SO Cord run through the newer
wall, up and parallel to the joists. The cable is not "secured" at all
in the run.

[Linked Image]

Pic 3, the other end. It's plugged into a socket-to-receptacle adapter.
My finger's there to block the light glare.

[Linked Image]


Ian

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Re: Grandparents' Bath #111301
10/29/06 10:25 AM
10/29/06 10:25 AM
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That's the way rednecks do it.

Re: Grandparents' Bath #111302
10/29/06 11:05 AM
10/29/06 11:05 AM
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Oh, in that case, it's just a corded appliance, not an electrical installation. What's the problem??

Besides, not grounding the metal case eliminates the risk of a ground fault. And that receptacle is an inaccessible basement receptacle, so why would anyone even consider adding GFCI protection or a ground?

(Edit: for the vocational students, this is known as sarcasm!)

[This message has been edited by SteveFehr (edited 10-29-2006).]

Re: Grandparents' Bath #111303
10/29/06 12:47 PM
10/29/06 12:47 PM
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Thanks Scott for posting them. I'm taking some pictures around this singlewide as I type!

Steve: I was following you. Until I saw the disclaimer, that is.

Ian (Edited cause I kant spell me name!) A.

[This message has been edited by Theelectrikid (edited 10-30-2006).]


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Re: Grandparents' Bath #111304
10/29/06 02:31 PM
10/29/06 02:31 PM
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There was a time when the only receptacle found in the bath was in the base of the light. Most of these were of the two-prong variety.

Three prong receptacles, like the one pictured, had but a brief period of use, before the GFCI was invented.

many places date from this time, and still have this arrangement. I believe replacement fixtures are available. Remember that word : REPLACEMENT. new installations still need GFI protection.

Of course, not grounding the receptacle shown, and powering in the manner shown, was as wrong then as it is now.

Re: Grandparents' Bath #111305
10/30/06 03:10 AM
10/30/06 03:10 AM
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Growing up the house I lived in had two single lamps on both sides of the mirror with a single grounded outlet in each one.

Next to the sink was a NEMA 2-15 t-slot duplex that didn't work anymore.

Re: Grandparents' Bath #111306
11/06/06 03:46 PM
11/06/06 03:46 PM
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napervillesoundtech  Offline
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you people with your bathroom outlets are really lucky. My aunt's old house had one (1) ceiling light fixture in a bathroom with a 9' ceiling. Every morning, she would run her hair dryer and curling iron on an old orange extension cord. Eventually, they moved into a new house, and to the best of my knowlege the house has not been rewired yet. They moved out 6 years ago, and the house has had several owners sence then. It was a 100a. 2w. service for a 4200sq. foot house. No air conditioner, though.

Re: Grandparents' Bath #111307
12/03/06 12:24 AM
12/03/06 12:24 AM
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I don't know if it matters to you guys, but I just learned my Great-uncle was, and still is, a plumber.

Ian A.


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Re: Grandparents' Bath #111308
12/03/06 12:27 AM
12/03/06 12:27 AM
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many places date from this time, and still have this arrangement. I believe replacement fixtures are available. Remember that word : REPLACEMENT. new installations still need GFI protection.


Q: Would you be allowed to use one of these if say it was in the upstairs bath, fed from the GFCI in the lower-floor bathroom?

Ian A.


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Re: Grandparents' Bath #111309
12/03/06 12:41 AM
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Yes, you would. I'm not sure it would meet the receptacle requirement, but would be allowed in addition to the required receptacle.

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