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Raintight?? #110213
03/06/06 11:39 PM
03/06/06 11:39 PM
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Here is a neon sign transformer, not only exposed to the weather, but, since the cover is missing, actually "sitting in a bucket." Well, what's a few thousand volts running free?

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Re: Raintight?? #110214
03/07/06 09:36 PM
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Bakersfield, CA (Originally Or...
Is that roofing actually metal siding??? [Linked Image]

Re: Raintight?? #110215
03/08/06 07:12 PM
03/08/06 07:12 PM
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SI,New Zealand
Absolutely unbelievable John!. [Linked Image]
Also consider that after a decent shower of rain or two, the water is going to fill the other enclosures as well(to a degree), through the conduits.
Some people should just stay at home. [Linked Image]

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Re: Raintight?? #110216
03/08/06 08:08 PM
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Posts: 558
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
"Liquid cooled".... Only when it rains though.... [Linked Image]

Re: Raintight?? #110217
03/17/06 06:44 AM
03/17/06 06:44 AM
kiwi  Offline
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Posts: 354
christchurch new zealand
Maybe its been disconnected?

Re: Raintight?? #110218
03/17/06 07:57 PM
03/17/06 07:57 PM
HotLine1  Offline

Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,936
Brick, NJ USA
Resembles what you/I see after a sign repair. Also, the aftermath of an install by "the professional sign contractor"

We had a rash of neon signage and outline lighting that would magically 'appear' on Monday mornings. IE:

Stop at a conv store for a drink, next store has neon outline ltg, and signage inside of store windows. Wasn't there last week?? No permits issued. Worker said "boss not here";

$ 500 Violation (Fine) to storekeeper. Guy won't give up the installer!

Quite a few 'others'


Re: Raintight?? #110219
03/17/06 09:18 PM
03/17/06 09:18 PM
mxslick  Offline
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 803
Atomic City, ID USA
I'm constantly amazed at how many folks don't realize how dangerous neon signage can be. I worked at a local amusement park who had five! fires on the roof of one building caused by faulty neon installation before they gave up and went to another lighting method.

The HV output of that transformer will merrily arc to any nearby uninsulated surface until the ignition point of that material is reached.

Although the transformer itself is potted in a tar-like compound and could probably survive sitting in water without harm, (and I have seen that before too) I'd bet the connections to both line and secondary aren't that watertight.

Stupid should be painful.
Re: Raintight?? #110220
03/19/06 01:17 PM
03/19/06 01:17 PM
jay8  Offline
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 183
Vancouver, BC
Our large facility had a neon sign fire on the exterior of the building. Of course, four circuits of transformers, two floors up from the panel feeding it with no local disconnects. Also butt splices, and ring crimps on 15, 7.5 and 5 kV leads. Another fine professional sign installation.

Re: Raintight?? #110221
03/19/06 10:59 PM
03/19/06 10:59 PM
mxslick  Offline
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Posts: 803
Atomic City, ID USA
Of course, four circuits of transformers, two floors up from the panel feeding it with no local disconnects.

Aren't local disconnects required by Code? If so, then it sounds like this "professional sign company" better have its liability insurance paid up!!

Stupid should be painful.


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