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Upgraded Service #109842
12/19/05 11:25 PM
12/19/05 11:25 PM
electure  Offline
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 4,265
Fullerton, CA USA
These are pics of a service I came across out in the middle of nowhere on a house that had a service call..... The panel is 200A 120/240V, with #2 THWN feeders in a 1¼" riser, and it was approved by the AHJ! [Linked Image]

Randy (Lostazhell)

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[This message has been edited by electure (edited 12-19-2005).]

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Re: Upgraded Service #109843
12/20/05 03:26 AM
12/20/05 03:26 AM
Hemingray  Offline
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 199
Lehigh Acres, FL
undersized conduit for the #2 THWN?

Re: Upgraded Service #109844
12/20/05 12:03 PM
12/20/05 12:03 PM
Lostazhell  Offline
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,431
Bakersfield, CA (Originally Or...
Undersized conductors for a 200A service! [Linked Image] Minimum 3/0 THWN required for this size service.

Re: Upgraded Service #109845
12/20/05 03:13 PM
12/20/05 03:13 PM
mxslick  Offline
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 803
Atomic City, ID USA
Guys, to heck with the riser! [Linked Image]

How about the rat's nest of unsecured romex in that chase, the metal flex with romex in it that doesn't even connect to the panel.... [Linked Image]

I'd hate to see what's "under the hood" on this one!

Wonder what medication the AHJ was on too.... [Linked Image]

Stupid should be painful.
Re: Upgraded Service #109846
12/20/05 05:13 PM
12/20/05 05:13 PM
wa2ise  Offline
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 786
Oradell NJ USA
That sticker looks to be several years old. The bad wiring probably happened after that inspection was done.

Re: Upgraded Service #109847
12/20/05 10:08 PM
12/20/05 10:08 PM
e57  Offline
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,876
I think the sticker is left over from the house it was previously installed in, somewhere else.

Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason
Re: Upgraded Service #109848
12/20/05 11:55 PM
12/20/05 11:55 PM
Celtic  Offline
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 361
Originally posted by Lostazhell:

Undersized conductors for a 200A service! Minimum 3/0 THWN required for this size service.

...and for that area?
See:Table 310.15(B)(6) (2002)

That is quite a mess!

[This message has been edited by Celtic (edited 12-20-2005).]

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Re: Upgraded Service #109849
12/21/05 10:32 AM
12/21/05 10:32 AM
mamills  Offline
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 745
Wharton, Texas, USA
What a quality installation!! It looks like somebody beat this thing into the wall with a sledgehammer.

A couple of questions, Randy: What's up with the black romex'es (tied in a knot)? and, what was the nature of your service call there (at this house...?)?

This thing is quite literally a "Pandora's Box".

Mike (mamills)

Re: Upgraded Service #109850
12/23/05 11:42 AM
12/23/05 11:42 AM
Active 1  Offline
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 687
Grayslake IL, USA
We can't suport a drop around here with 1 1/4 RMC even if it is a 100 A service.

They want 3" RMC for 200 amp if the mast is supporting the drop.

Is this CA where the mast is on the inside wall? We allways go on the outside with the mast.


Re: Upgraded Service #109851
12/23/05 02:36 PM
12/23/05 02:36 PM
Trumpy  Offline

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,236
SI,New Zealand
Just a little comment Randy.
I like the idea of that rain water deflector on the mast.

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