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"Not one violation was found."

Reguardless of the romex straps (Which I have seen done before, and hope not to see again...) There are quite a few visable violation... Just in these few pic's, the whole job is probhably littered with them...

White switch wire in #1... Others that have been mentioned. And if that romex "Strap" (not that I would call it that) has conductors in it, it is a "cable", and a violation. IMO

Just on the basis of the photo, what evidence do you have that says the red/white is a switch leg and not a outlet feed? I think you'd need to wait a bit on that one.

I suspect you could find yourself in a battle over the use of dual copper-reenforced, vinyl-insulated strapping material.

Not the kind of work I'd do but I'm not sure how bad it really is.

Cause it has "SSS" written on the wall next to a 3 gang.... Where does someone get some of that?

those red and white wires are probably a three way switch leg where the light is either being fed and switched there at the first box, or at another wherever that three wire runs to.

Maybe this will help you to identify who belongs where

Picture #1:

• 200.7 (as mentioned)
• I'm not a big fan of forcing the trimmer to use one conductor to bond three switches, but legal
• Really not a fan of forcing them to do the same thing with the ungrounded conductor.
• Are the other conductors really 6" long?

Picture #2:

• I'll betcha this is in violation of bending radius (334.24)
• Is that water running out of the box?

Picture #3:

• The #12's are not secured within 12" of the panel.
• An 1.5" SER connector is not listed for umpteen NM runs.
• I wouldn't say that the NM cables are bundled.

In conclusion, I'd say this is horrible - my work isn't all that pretty, but I do better than this in a hurry.

Do you have a hard time getting your staples approved? They're conductive and more intimate with your romex than the copper conductors in these unattractive "straps."

If it's not being used as a wiring method, then this doesn't really apply.
Safer, maybe, but not safe. Carlon manufactures it's boxes super deep under the presumption that their boxes will be installed in locations not prone to drywall screws.

[This message has been edited by Just George (edited 01-02-2006).]

I have seen that often up here in new construction, only difference is the cables are against the stud and not " free-aired" like that... gone are the days where people took time to make it look neat in the wall, houses are not built with "quality" in mind, its all " quantity.. just git it built!"

Wow, all the romex entering under a couple of large connectors?? Not good thats a failure up here for sure!
that second pic where the cables loop over the back of the box and in... not really a violation that I can see but that is the hard way of doing it isn't it???? Like there are K/O's in the bottom of the box right?

Switch loop that I see, I guess it is a pair of travelers... Up here anyway I always thought you HAD to I.D the white as something elseif its an ungrounded conductor, but I was told in school that "Neutral is ALWAYS white, but white is NOT ALWAYS a neutral"!!
As long as its a 3-way traveller OR the FEED to a switch, it may be white and does not have to be identified... ... I was also told that if you connect a white identified as a hot" to a fixture or device thats also not legal! (phasing tape is also not considered permanent in Canada, coloured heat shrink is!


A.D

[This message has been edited by Rewired (edited 01-02-2006).]

200.7(C)(1)&(2) state otherwise. If the conductor is used for other than a grounded conductor, it must be re-identified.

That part is correct, 200.7(C)(2).

Don't believe everything you hear, unless there's a code to support the "rule."

FYI George the above poster was Quoting Canadian Electrical code.

Hey George sorry about that with the code thing, ( Thx Doug)... Don't forget we are all screwed up up here in Canada!! Wasn't until not too far in the past they started allowing " T-slot " receptacles and 20 A breakers supplying them... 20A circuits to feed lights AND outlets on the same branch circuit is still unheard of and illegal here... when will we ever learn!