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#107534 09/06/04 12:28 AM
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Those 480v. sections look kinda like something from a horror movie where a creature's middle has been disemboweled! [Linked Image]

Bob: I almost hate to ask this; how does the back-of-the-storage-cabinet QO panel receive its power?

Mike (mamills)

BTW: I like that second pic. With the red "flags" showing, it looks like a number of the circuits have tripped. [Linked Image]

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#107535 09/06/04 12:49 AM
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Here is the feed to the temp panel.

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Bob Badger
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#107536 09/06/04 06:39 AM
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Bob
I can understand your frustration. It also makes it hard to work there, because you should be afraid to touch anything around you.
Nice job of grounding that transformer - the grounding electrode conductor is run through the fitting for the transformer feed, with no connection to the enclosure.

I especially like the panel secured to the cabinet and the cables feeding the transformer.

I also like their method of lockout/tagout -tape always is cheaper than the proper method, whether it works or not [Linked Image]
Bundling (or is that bungling)of cables, protection of cables, etc...

How long did it take you to simmer down before being able to start deciphering this mess?

Pierre


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#107537 09/06/04 06:41 AM
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On a second look, what is that cabinet doing there anyway? It looks as though it may be between two parts of gear - working clearance?

Pierre


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I'm pretty much speechless [Linked Image] and to think a buddy and I were tapping some light fixture bases to allow us to use Ac cable and he was worried about tapping the holes straight [Linked Image] That is some of the ugliest work ever done. I take it no corporate safety people have been there??. Is this place open for business?

#107539 09/06/04 07:08 AM
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Pierre
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I can understand your frustration. It also makes it hard to work there, because you should be afraid to touch anything around you.

Not much really makes me mad but I was here and for the reason you stated.

This electric room was built in a factory and shipped to the job. When done this way they are great to work on, there are laminated wiring diagrams on the walls, everything is clearly marked. Now nothing is marked right and the wiring diagrams are useless.

For more info on pre-built electric rooms go to this link.

http://www.hillphoenix.com/electrical/edc/index.html

Select "Build" in the upper right corner and you can see exactly how this room had been.

Yes the metal cabinet should go, it had always been there and you could push it out of the way before it got wired into place.


Bob Badger
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#107540 09/06/04 07:29 AM
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Bob,
I've never seen such a mess in my life!.
From start to finish, it's just a one big shambles.
At least the original Panel equipment looks like it was installed with a certain amount of pride.
BTW, Iwire, is it legal to run Romex across a floor that may be used as an escape route?.
Or even run like that in the first place?.
GRRRR!

#107541 09/06/04 10:01 AM
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The only thing that I don't care for is the cardboard on the 480 swichgear.

#107542 09/06/04 10:11 AM
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If the OSHA inspector ever sees this (and he should) he would have writers cramp for a week.


John
#107543 09/06/04 10:17 AM
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Well this certainly makes me wonder.

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The only thing that I don't care for is the cardboard on the 480 swichgear.

1)Live NM on the floor

2)Support Requirements for NM

3)Derating Requirements.

Just to name a few.


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
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