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#105936 - 09/27/05 01:56 AM Classic Violation Revisited!  
Joe Tedesco  Offline
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#105937 - 09/27/05 04:14 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!  
Hemingray  Offline
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 199
Lehigh Acres, FL
Anyone got some wirenuts? I see some old Hatfield brand wiring in there too. alot of houses back where I lived in Florida was wired with this brand of wiring


#105938 - 09/27/05 06:53 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!  
mamills  Offline
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 745
Wharton, Texas, USA
Several things here:
1) what is the max wire count supposed to be in a box like this? I have a feeling that twelve is way too much for this little box.
2) it would be good for that newer romex to be clamped in place, too.
3) question: if these wires were pre-twisted (albeit VERY poorly), why are they twisted COUNTERCLOCKWISE [Linked Image]?
4) bonding to the box would be a good thing.
5) how about nice longer tails in the box (a larger box) so that the splices can be made up properly?
6) yeah, wirenuts would be a nice touch here [Linked Image], so would a cover (although I hope it was removed for picture taking, or because this thing is in such a sorry state that it's about to be completely re-worked).

This one's a do-over.

Mike (mamills)

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#105939 - 09/27/05 06:56 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!  
Hemingray  Offline
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 199
Lehigh Acres, FL
there's alot more than 12 in there, unless that other piece of "Plastic" romex is going over the box..


#105940 - 09/27/05 07:02 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!  
n1ist  Offline
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 183
Malden MA
I count 5 white wires and 5 black ones plus the grounds and clamps - looks like 12 for the fill.

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#105941 - 09/27/05 09:02 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!  
John Crighton  Offline
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 177
Southern California
Yes, it's just shameful the way the screws don't match. [Linked Image]

Why are some of the grounding conductors so small? (Look at the twisted area in the middle.) Is that some kind of weird cable?

I wonder if there was also a plaster ring and a device of some kind. This looks like the sort of thing you'd see in the middle of a garage, with a porcelain lampholder.

#105942 - 09/27/05 09:25 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!  
Elviscat  Offline
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 214
Seattle Washington USA
John- That old cloth covered romex and some of the earlier black plastic stuff sometimes had a #16 reduced ground, I usually find it wrapped around the screw on the cable clamp


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#105943 - 09/28/05 09:15 AM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!  
Ryan_J  Offline
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,374
West Jordan, Utah, USA
It might be a good idea to twist the wires closkwise instead of counterclockwise as well...just in case they are considering putting wire nuts on [Linked Image]

Ryan Jackson,
Salt Lake City

#105944 - 12/10/05 08:45 AM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!  
vlad_tepish  Offline
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 39
while rewiring my basement i found several lefty twisted wires in the lite boxes..also they must have had a sale on #10 romex because the whole basement is run with it.


#105945 - 12/10/05 04:41 PM Re: Classic Violation Revisited!  
SolarPowered  Offline
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 625
Palo Alto, CA, USA
...why are they twisted COUNTERCLOCKWISE ?

I think this pic is from Australia or New Zealand. I understand the water in the toilets there swirls backwards, too.

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