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#105189 06/30/04 04:19 PM
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Guess which neighbor has the eight dollar a month energy bill, and which one complained about excessive use? [Linked Image]ops:

How would the meter even register if the main was off? Through the neutral?

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#105190 06/30/04 06:54 PM
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No registered reading on the meter, the eight dollar charge was a monthly service charge.

#105191 06/30/04 08:39 PM
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Maybe he was trying to derate for that seriously packed looking conduit on the bottom? [Linked Image] Wonder what happened to the insulators for the left breakers bus bars?


#105192 07/01/04 12:11 AM
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Is this arrangement of different services running onto main breakers in one panel common on duplex and triplex buildings?

#105193 07/02/04 11:09 AM
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So to fix his complaint did you turn off the breaker on the left and turn on the right one? Use breaker locks?

Or you could flip flop the service wires to each breaker and leave them on and off like they are now. The one tenant would not know what is going on when he gets his bill.

Easyest change the numbering on the meters.

No one said anything about the missing bushing on the bottom.


#105194 07/02/04 05:27 PM
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If I wanted to steal power from a neighbor or the landlord, I'd move only one of the two hot wires. Less obvious that the theft is happening, as consumption still shows on my meter ("I'm conserving energy") and the victum sees only a milder increase.

Of course I never did such things... [Linked Image]

#105195 07/02/04 11:40 PM
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Active1 wrote:
No one said anything about the missing bushing on the bottom

That looks like PVC coming in from the "rope burns" cutting through the threads...

#105196 07/03/04 09:59 AM
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At first I thought it was ridgid. I forget the rest of the world uses PVC above ground.


#105197 07/03/04 10:12 AM
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Anyone want to point to the exception not requiring bushings on PVC? [Linked Image]

PVC or not 4 AWG or larger in a raceway needs a bushing. [Linked Image]


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#105198 07/08/04 02:41 AM
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I believe you, but I've never seen a bushing on a PVC connector, nor ever been called on for not having one! [Linked Image]

Just another thing I've learned from ECN! [Linked Image]


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