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#103173 05/21/02 08:04 PM
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Joe, Here is something I found today that I couldn't resist sending you. I found this from a complaint given by the local power company. Now there are several violations here, not the least of which is the 10 AWG wire on a double pole 70 amp breaker, and the panel definitely needs to be changed because of deterioration. There are several others. This is a pretty poor situation. But the most interesting thing to me is the neutral wire terminated by the vise grip pliers. And this circuit was being used by the way. It was running about 200 feet to a travel trailer. I wonder what the voltage drop may be doing to affect the stuff in the trailer? The conductor is on top of the neutral bus and the vise grip is the connector. They could not back any of the screws out on the bus because of deterioration, and by the way, this is a main panel!

Thanks, Darryl Dempsey

[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 08-17-2002).]

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#103174 08/26/02 08:59 PM
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I guess the best thing about vise-grips is that they don't come with plastic-dipped handles- or some yahoo would use them on the buss bars- especially since FPE breakers are so hard to find, and so expensive when you find them!

#103175 02/10/03 11:59 PM
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What's going on with romex looking wire straight up the bottom with the conductors twisted together and attatched to neutral bar? inquiring minds wanna know

#103176 02/11/03 08:48 AM
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Is that breaker and wire on the bottom left "new"? Looks kinda like it's a 50A.


#103177 02/11/03 06:35 PM
Joined: Apr 2001
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Vise-Grip just came out with plastic-coated handles! Maybe this guy will use them on a hot wire? (Can we nominate him for a Darwin in advance?)

#103178 02/11/03 08:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 134
well it looks like one of the circuits in the panel is right.that's the one just above the vise/ tape too.but i can't tell the breaker or wire size.

John Steinke...yes we can [Linked Image]

#103179 02/12/03 12:54 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
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(in french) QUOI ??????????????? c'est 70 amperage pour le no.10 fil ????? c'est coco

( in english) WHAT ?????? that no.10 wire for 70 amp that is nuts!! i wondering that sob did not get it on fire yet [Linked Image]

that is the time bombie waiting for to exploade!!! [Linked Image]

i hope someone get the attetion real fast


Pas de problme,il marche n'est-ce pas?"(No problem, it works doesn't it?)

#103180 02/12/03 09:42 AM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 745
"...c'est coco."

I enjoy your posts. You have a remarkable way with the language. [Linked Image]

Mike (mamills)

#103181 02/13/03 12:23 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 939
to mamills:

merci for your kinds words and indeed i do see alot of crazy stuff in both usa and france

merci marc [Linked Image]

Pas de problme,il marche n'est-ce pas?"(No problem, it works doesn't it?)

#103182 02/13/03 11:59 PM
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Would the electrician who replaces this
mess get to keep the vise grips? They
may be too rusty to bother with, though...

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