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Tony read this


That is a willful violation of the NEC, if you agree with me or not means nothing. I am one of this forums moderators and I say we will not allow that type of recommendation here on this forum.

If you have an issue with that you will need to take it up with Bill A.


Tony, ask yourself why do you think that?

Is it because you have seen anything in writing that says so or is it just a case of always assuming it to be so?

As Roger points out few areas will let one person make or change rules at will.

Do yourself a favor and check into it before you make such strong statements.

now there's a scary thought

(edit to fix [i] and add):

Can anyone cite an example where this was true??

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Shock, sorry I did not see your post before.


I am one of the moderators, it is my job to point out poor or illegal recommendations.


In a nutshell YES.

Would I present it to the customer like that?

Most likely not, but the result would be that they would not be getting the step baffles with incandescent fixtures.


So what?

Would you bend the rules if they asked you to run 14 AWG for 20 amp circuits?


You where singled out as you where the only person that suggested changing the trims after inspection.


Because that is the answer, I will not violate the NEC just because a customer does not like the what the NEC requires.

The solutions are very obvious.

Any enclosed incandescents or some fluorescents, it ain't rocket science.

I hope there are no hard feelings and that you understand where I am coming from.

Bob

By the way, no one has asked if I actually thought this installation was a fire hazard.

Well I don't, I don't see any safety issue with the installation as described.

I don't agree with many NEC rules, I still grudgingly follow them.

But I am not going to complain about them as I have never taken the time to put in a proposal.

Any of us can put in a proposal for a code change, they will be looked at. We have people at this forum who have gotten code changes accepted. Not all accepted proposals are from the manufacturers.

So when I suggested to Tony that he put in a code change proposal I was entirely serious.

We have until November 7 2008 to get in any proposals for the 2011 code.

It is to late to make changes to the 2008 NEC.

Bob

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A little off the current here, with one question for TexasSparky-
Which way does the door swing for these 12 X 16 rooms, in or out?

The door swings into the closet. Why do you ask?

Just interested, sometimes that can help define a room type- I still think those are dressing rooms. Any natural lighting(windows, skylights) or receptacles?
Have you asked the AHJ yet?

Yes they do have windows. And they have two plugs one is for an iron and the other is for a shoe polisher. I plan on talking with the AHJ sometime next week. Thanks guys when I posted this I was just looking for advice. I didn't want it to get heated. We are all brothers in this field. So now all in for a group hug.

Roger, thank you for that information.

I only have a copy of '99 Code and I couldn't find that information in it. I stand corrected on that issue.


Bold emphasis following is mine:



I'm not as dumb as I look

Tony no one is saying you are dumb.

Yes both Roger and I are well aware the FPN mentions electrical inspectors.

It does not prove anything.

Here again is the entire FPN.


Would you say this means home owners in your area are the AHJ?

You need to find out the laws for your area.

If you send me an email telling me what area you live I will see if I can find out.

You may be right, your electrical inspector may be the AHJ, it is much more likely they are not.

Instead of fighting try to keep an open mind and learn something new.