Sorry I got fired up there. To further the point on cable co. I had a supervisor who after retiring, worked for a cableco. Alot of the techs were ex-felons and such. The training on the cableco side of the industry is seroiusly lacking. I dont mean to denigrate the guys out there in vdv/cableco who are quality minded individuals. Alot of your independant cable guys are downright scary, but the same could be said for guys in other trades too.