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#99777 - 09/06/06 04:19 PM Spa and Hot Tub Disconnect
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Is there a requirement that a spa or hot tub disconnect be over 5' from the spa? The conditions are as follows:

Single-family dwelling
Outdoor location

Article 680.12 only mentions "accessible and within sight", however Exhibit 680.2 mentions "at least 5 ft. from the pool".

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#99778 - 09/06/06 05:13 PM Re: Spa and Hot Tub Disconnect
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680.22 says all switching devices will be 5' or greater from the water.
There is still some debate about a disconnect under the covers of the spa.
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#99779 - 09/06/06 05:53 PM Re: Spa and Hot Tub Disconnect
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I have wondered why you can install a light switch as close as you want to a hydromassage tub, but not for an indoor spa?
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#99780 - 09/06/06 09:04 PM Re: Spa and Hot Tub Disconnect
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I got spanked here a while ago for confusing the hydromassage tub rules and the spa rules. They are basically just a bathtub.
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#99781 - 09/09/06 06:06 PM Re: Spa and Hot Tub Disconnect
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I believe the 5' rule is so Joe Homeowner doesn't mess with the disconnect while he or she is actually in the spa. I know common sense tells us that water and electricity DO NOT MIX but some homeowners are no-so-bright when it comes to electrical issues.
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#99782 - 09/26/06 01:04 PM Re: Spa and Hot Tub Disconnect
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The article cited by gfretwell (680.22 (C)) actually pertains to "II. Permanently Installed Pools", which is a section separate from "IV. Spas and Hot Tubs." The closest the NEC comes to stating a required distance for the disconnect, aside from the "readily accessible and within sight" requirement in 680.12, is the 5' required for an "Emergency Switch" in 680.41; but this "emergency switch" is not the same as the "maintenance disconnect," AND the article concludes with the statement that "This requiremnet shall NOT apply to single-family dwellings."

So to summarize, all we get from the NEC, regarding home hot tubs, is "readily accessible and within sight." For more specifics you need to talk to your AHJ.
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#99783 - 09/26/06 01:48 PM Re: Spa and Hot Tub Disconnect
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Tripp- The text at 680.12 is for a Maintenance Disconnect Switch not the "Emergency Switch" and applies to all equipment in 680 unless altered by some other section in 680.

The rules in 680.20(C) apply to Spas installed outside. See 680.42. gfretwell is correct.
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#99784 - 09/26/06 04:24 PM Re: Spa and Hot Tub Disconnect
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George: I stand humbly corrected. I am embarrassed to realize (and in public!) that i have never noticed that 680.42 references Parts I AND II. I've always just noticed the article above (680.41) that references Parts I and IV and called it good.

So putting my humiliation aside, let me ask you this: are you saying that "Switching Devices" (per 680.22 (C)) includes Maintenance Disconnects? If so, why don't they just spell it out like they do in the General section 680.12 Maintenance Disconnects?

Thanks for being gentle.
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#99785 - 09/26/06 04:26 PM Re: Spa and Hot Tub Disconnect
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And apologies to gfretwell.
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#99786 - 09/26/06 06:34 PM Re: Spa and Hot Tub Disconnect
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No problem at all. I screw up things here too. That is why it is good to be with friends. Greg
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