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#97367 02/18/06 03:55 AM
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i have a fireplace in the midde of a room,
it will be a fancy stone type with a hearth and mantle. is this considered wall space?
the wording unbroken has got me confused or more to the point unsure. i think not but want to make sure.
thanx guys,
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#97368 02/18/06 08:15 AM
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This is clearly broken wall space, but also a place where following NEC minimum is probably bad design. People put things that use electricity on mantles all the time, eg. clocks or lamps.

-Jon

#97369 02/18/06 08:48 AM
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IMHO this is not wall space period. But if you need power on this fireplace it would be permitted to install electrical wiring in/on the fireplace as long as it was not subject or a temperature that would exceed the rating of the insulation. If you did not install a receptacle on this stand alone fireplace the inspector would be hard pressed to quote a written code violation.

Your question seems to indicate that this is a stand alone fireplace.


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#97370 02/18/06 09:46 AM
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If there are 2x4 walls associated with this fireplace, then those walls would be subject to the receptacle rules. If this is a 100%, all four sides, masonry fireplace, then it depends. Are there sections of your fireplace with a dimension of 2 feet? IMO the same rules for a three piece sliding glass door would apply for the fireplace.(with the fireplace part(s) with the mantle being treated as the slider part). Floor mounted receptacle outlets may be the answer.


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#97371 02/18/06 09:59 AM
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watersparkfalls,
is this fireplace dividing a wall or is it in the center of the room with all 4 sides exposed in the middle of the room?

#97372 02/18/06 11:35 AM
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If 210.52(A)(2)(1) exempts fireplaces from receptacles when in the wall space (nothing in the wording for mantels) why would you ask for a plug on the fireplace if it were free standing?


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#97373 02/18/06 08:29 PM
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this fireplace is in the center, no 2x4 walls at all. i dont want to put one there george just making sure the ahj can't/won't ask for one it doesn't make sense to have one there, granted the home owner hasn't asked for one. but i could chase a wire though for a outlet on the mantle for xmas decorations or lamp like winnie suggested but i'm not inclined to suggest it to homeowner.

#97374 02/19/06 11:56 PM
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I'd pitch a floor box to the homeowner.

They're going to want power there.

They likely don't want the fireplace impacted by a receptacle.

A floor box is going to be much more practical to install than trying to scheme up some brickwork workaround.


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