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#93827 - 06/18/05 02:24 PM Grounding conductor
George Little Offline
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Does the insulated #8 grounding conductor inside the PVC conduit connected to the back of a wet niche fixture need to be green in color?
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#93828 - 06/18/05 07:52 PM Re: Grounding conductor
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No, according to 680.23(B)(2)(a), but 250.119 seems to say yes.
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#93829 - 06/19/05 03:15 AM Re: Grounding conductor
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The 2005 NEC recognizes this conductor for its fuction..."a bonding jumper" and therefore would not be required to be green in color...

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#93830 - 06/19/05 05:48 AM Re: Grounding conductor
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I wish the Code panel would make up their mind on what that #8 wire is called. The '02 calls it a grounding conductor and so the color code would kick in but, the '05 calls it a bonding conductor and the color code would not apply???IMHO.
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#93831 - 06/19/05 10:09 AM Re: Grounding conductor
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The NEC is full of confusion...the old 'grounding or bonding' issue abounds.
As a "simple mans' rule,' when I get confused I ask myself "is this wire for lightning protection?" If so, then it's a 'ground.' If not, it's a 'bond."

Using this understanding, let's consider the wire from the panel to the water pipe.
In an old house, where there is no ground rod, this is a 'ground wire' or GEC.
In a new house, this wire is there to clear any fault current to the plumbing- so it's a bond, not a ground.

Probably over-simple, but it does help me keep focused.
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#93832 - 06/26/05 08:20 PM Re: Grounding conductor
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I'd say that, since the conductor does not require being brought back to the panel feeding the equipment (if any), and is for minimizing gradients, it's a bonding conductor.
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#93833 - 06/27/05 09:15 PM Re: Grounding conductor
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I wish the Code panel would make up their mind on what that #8 wire is called.

How about "Pool Gradient Conductor." Sounds official, and really can't be confused with an EGC.
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#93834 - 06/27/05 10:35 PM Re: Grounding conductor
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Shortcircuit has it. There was an error in the code when they called the #8 in the pipe to the forming shell a grounding conductor and it was fixed in the 2005 code.
There were 4 proposals that all said essentially the same thing (17-93, 4, 5
& 6)
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