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#93168 - 05/05/05 09:16 PM Detached Building
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If I want to run 2 circuits to a detached building in the residential setting, do I have to install a sub panel? I say you do???
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#93169 - 05/05/05 09:28 PM Re: Detached Building
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You can run a single multiwire feeding 2 120v legs but not 2 separate circuits ... the way I see it.
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#93170 - 05/06/05 05:26 AM Re: Detached Building
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Wouldn't 225.36 Exception Apply.

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#93171 - 05/06/05 04:36 PM Re: Detached Building
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Ernie- 225.30 limit's you to one supply with additional supplies for special conditions and residential homes can't qualify for any of these special conditions. So at best we could run a multiwire branch circuit and call it one circuit like Greg says. And I agree.
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#93172 - 05/06/05 10:29 PM Re: Detached Building
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I think the real intent is that all remote buildings get a panel, ground etc like an "HO guage service" but they make an exception for the guy who just wants a light and a receptacle in his shed. It probably makes a few less orange cords strung through the trees.
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#93173 - 05/06/05 10:32 PM Re: Detached Building
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Now the obligatory "gee whiz" question.
If the feeder is #10/3wg with a 30a sub panel, what size wire do you run to the ground rod?
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#93174 - 05/07/05 08:06 AM Re: Detached Building
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And the "obligatory" answer is minimum #8 cu.
I liked that word"obligatory" so I thought I'd use it in the answer, must be the inspector in me. Could use #6 AL if you could figure out some way to keep it 18" above the earth.
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#93175 - 05/07/05 10:03 AM Re: Detached Building
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Do you think Table 250.66 note 2 might allow you to use a #10 here ? Using the argument that the feeders to the subpanel are not Service Entrance Conductors and thus the "equivalent" size service entrance conductors to feed the load would be (is, in fact) #10.

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#93176 - 05/07/05 10:23 AM Re: Detached Building
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How about if I connect the two structures with a fence?
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#93177 - 05/07/05 10:31 AM Re: Detached Building
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I don't think the fence can make a difference. If joining 2 structures with a fence creates a single structure than I live in my neighbors house. Or does he live in mine

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