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#91914 - 02/12/05 02:26 PM 15 hr 2005 code class, continuing education
walrus Offline
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Registered: 07/25/02
Posts: 680
Loc: Bangor Me. USA
Just got done my 15 hr code update on the 2005 code. Maine requires it every code change and this class was done by a Maine inspector. Good class.
Trivia questions raised in class.

Does the NEC define a sub panel??

Is EMT conduit?


Last but not least
under 334.30 NM cable
"Sections of cable protected from physical damage by raceway shall not be required to be secured within raceway"

I know other states require code updates, do you take a class?, do home study? over the net??
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#91915 - 02/12/05 02:41 PM Re: 15 hr 2005 code class, continuing education
Roger Offline
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Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 1716
Loc: N.C.
Walrus, the answers to the two questions are the same for both.

We have to have 8 hrs yearly in NC and I do mine online.

Roger



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#91916 - 02/12/05 03:08 PM Re: 15 hr 2005 code class, continuing education
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Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9039
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
Florida requires 14 hours every 2 years, two of which have to be "accessibility" which is stupid PC politics. There is nothing in the NEC (the Fla electrical code) about acessibility. I waste 2 hours of my life learning about wheelchair turning radii in bathroom stalls and ramp slopes. The real problem is the only way to get the accessibility class is to go to some confrence that costs several hundred bucks (no ala carte classes) since they don't do that one in a road show. I can get my NEC CEUs at the IAEI cheap.
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#91917 - 02/12/05 03:17 PM Re: 15 hr 2005 code class, continuing education
iwire Offline
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Registered: 01/05/03
Posts: 4391
Loc: North Attleboro, MA USA
I need 15 and 5 or 6.

15 hrs in a structured class by a certified teacher and 5 or 6 (I can not remember which) of job related info. like a safety course.

Last cycle I claimed my posts on the forums as my additional time.
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Massachusetts
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#91918 - 02/13/05 05:24 AM Re: 15 hr 2005 code class, continuing education
Electricmanscott Offline
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Registered: 01/12/02
Posts: 1457
Loc: Holden, MA USA
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Last cycle I claimed my posts on the forums as my additional time.
Bob, I thought about doing this too nut i didn't know if it would fly. There is no real system in place to check the extra 6 hours other than a random audit at which point you have to show proof. I did my six hours with a grounding a bonding class. The word "useless" comes to mind. The look an the guys face when asked how to bond plastic water lines was priceless. They also were preaching ALL exposed metal in a house must be bonded. Lally columns, sort steel support beams, oil tanks etc. I asked about metal shelving and the guy nodded.
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#91919 - 02/13/05 05:56 AM Re: 15 hr 2005 code class, continuing education
cpal Offline
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Registered: 05/17/04
Posts: 162
Loc: Cohasset MA
During the last cycle the Board (In Mass) was non specific regarding what subject matter would qualify as towards the 6 hours of CEUs.

They expressed that their intent was to provide latitude to each individual to make an informed opinion regarding their own interests in the hope that it would motivate one to attain additional training beyond the initial 15 hours.

There was an argument to require 21 hours of Code. Several of the providers suggest that such a requirement would incite a revolt.

The State was compelled to require 21 hours to maintain reciprocal agreements with the other states , the 6 hours as they now stand was a compromise.

It is regrettable that anyone is forced to endure i minute of time that is not productive and industry enhancing. There are many avenues available to pursue the additional six hours in Mass. and hopefully the Board will not mandate specific coursed in the 05 cycle. At least that way each of us will maintain a self choice.

Charlie
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#91920 - 02/13/05 07:13 PM Re: 15 hr 2005 code class, continuing education
LK Offline
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Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 1429
Loc: New Jersey
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"It is regrettable that anyone is forced to endure i minute of time that is not productive and industry enhancing. There are many avenues available to pursue the additional six hours in Mass. and hopefully the Board will not mandate specific coursed in the 05 cycle. At least that way each of us will maintain a self choice."
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Charlie,

Here in New Jersey they require 34 hours of CEU's, and it must be Board approved courses,
They exclude Online courses, and any other types of training, with many EC's working in different areas of the trade, their needs for training are varied, it appears, the mandate of hours required, are more important, then the EC's having the choice of varied methods of training.
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#91921 - 02/13/05 08:58 PM Re: 15 hr 2005 code class, continuing education
George Little Offline
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Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 1488
Loc: Michigan USA
The State of Michigan requires that licensed person (Journey & Master) take a code update class before renewal of license within a year of updating of the electrical code. The class must be approved by the State Electrrical Board and be a minimum of 15 hours of training. This is in addition to about 49 hours of training required to maintain our inspector registration. Michigan updates their code about every three years. I am in full support of this program and I think the electrical industry in the State of Michigan has really benefited since we have gone to the continuing education requirement.
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#91922 - 02/14/05 04:25 AM Re: 15 hr 2005 code class, continuing education
iwire Offline
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Posts: 4391
Loc: North Attleboro, MA USA
I also agree the 15 hour course (MA) is a great requirment.

The class goes over the changes for the new cycle.

That said it does seem like our NJ members are getting a raw deal.

If I remeber right the NJ class costs them $700 or $800 ours runs under $200
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Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
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#91923 - 02/14/05 07:39 AM Re: 15 hr 2005 code class, continuing education
wolfdog Offline
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Registered: 10/24/01
Posts: 135
Loc: Dallas,TX
Texas jus got the state wide license up and running last September. Presently they require 4 hours CE per year. 3 on the code and 1 on Texas law. I took mine online.
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