ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#90996 - 12/20/04 10:09 PM 15/20amp Recepts
aldav53 Offline
Member
Registered: 08/22/01
Posts: 545
Loc: Chandler, AZ USA
Old subject probably but can 15 amp recepticles be used on 20 amp circuits like a kitchen circuit.
I believe 20a recepts are usually used in a dedicated circuit, single or duplex.
15 amp GFI's say they can be used with a 20a feed thru circuit.
_________________________
The Golden Rule - "The man with the gold makes the rule"
Top
2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides
#90997 - 12/20/04 10:30 PM Re: 15/20amp Recepts
Norstarr Offline
Member
Registered: 09/25/04
Posts: 86
Loc: Wi
53, A duplex receptacle rated 15 amps can be used on a 20 amp circuit such as in a laundry room for the appliance circuit. You can not use a single 15 amp receptacle on a 20 amp circuit though. It must be rated 20 amp. All duplex receptacles in a kitchen, including the GFI's can be rated 15 amp. Hope this helps.
Ron
Top
#90998 - 12/20/04 11:39 PM Re: 15/20amp Recepts
SolarPowered Offline
Member
Registered: 07/05/04
Posts: 625
Loc: Palo Alto, CA, USA
Also, a duplex receptacle counts as two receptacles for the purposes of this discussion, so it is OK to have a single, 15 amp, duplex receptacle on a 20 amp circuit.
Top
#90999 - 12/21/04 06:06 AM Re: 15/20amp Recepts
Ryan_J Offline
Moderator
Registered: 08/19/03
Posts: 1374
Loc: West Jordan, Utah, USA
See 210.21 and 210.24
_________________________
Ryan Jackson,
Salt Lake City
Top
#91000 - 12/21/04 12:27 PM Re: 15/20amp Recepts
DougW Offline
Member
Registered: 06/08/03
Posts: 1143
Loc: North Chicago, IL
You can always have a smaller (ampacity) receptacle on a larger(ampacity) circuit, but you can't have a larger (ampacity) receptacle on a smaller(ampacity) circuit.
Top
#91001 - 12/21/04 12:40 PM Re: 15/20amp Recepts
Norstarr Offline
Member
Registered: 09/25/04
Posts: 86
Loc: Wi
DougW, Says who? I think you are quite wrong about that. Maybe if you explain in a little bit more detail it will make sense. According to your statement I can put a 20A 230 volt 3 phase TL receptacle on a 30 Amp 230 volt 3 phase circuit. No way. I'm sure you just used the wrong wording.
Ron
Top
#91002 - 12/21/04 12:46 PM Re: 15/20amp Recepts
iwire Offline
Moderator
Registered: 01/05/03
Posts: 4391
Loc: North Attleboro, MA USA
Ron actually you can put a single receptacle of higher ampacity then the circuit it is connected to.
_________________________
Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
Top
#91003 - 12/21/04 02:15 PM Re: 15/20amp Recepts
George Little Offline
Member
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 1488
Loc: Michigan USA
Mr. IWIRE, I am looking for an example where you'd put a higher rated single receptacle on a lower rated individual branch circuit and I'm not finding any. Except for the exceptions in 210.21(B)(1). And I'm not sure that's even an argument in your favor. Please educate me
_________________________
George Little
Top
#91004 - 12/21/04 02:47 PM Re: 15/20amp Recepts
iwire Offline
Moderator
Registered: 01/05/03
Posts: 4391
Loc: North Attleboro, MA USA
George that is twice today I have been called Mr.

Please call me Bob

First I did not say it was a great idea but lets look some of 210.21(B)

Quote:
210.21(B) Receptacles.
(1) Single Receptacle on an Individual Branch Circuit. A single receptacle installed on an individual branch circuit shall have an ampere rating not less than that of the branch circuit.


Notice they did not say the same rating as the branch circuit or the values in Table 210.21(B)(3).

Now

Quote:
210.21(B)(3) Receptacle Ratings. Where connected to a branch circuit supplying two or more receptacles or outlets, receptacle ratings shall conform to the values listed in Table 210.21(B)(3), or where larger than 50 amperes, the receptacle rating shall not be less than the branch-circuit rating.


IMO it is clear the requirements for single receptacles have nothing to do with Table 210.21(B)(3).

IMO single receptacles and multiple receptacles rated over 50 amps may be supplied with branch circuits rated lower than the receptacle.

I would have to ask what code section prohibits using a single 30 amp receptacle on a 15 amp circuit.

An engineer once wrote in asking if he could feed a 200 amp pin and sleeve receptacle with a 90 amp branch circuit.

No one could find a code section preventing that.

Bob

[This message has been edited by iwire (edited 12-21-2004).]
_________________________
Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
Top
#91005 - 12/21/04 03:41 PM Re: 15/20amp Recepts
SolarPowered Offline
Member
Registered: 07/05/04
Posts: 625
Loc: Palo Alto, CA, USA
That does actually make sense. A 200 amp receptacle protected by 90 amp fusing will be safe. The reverse would not be--a 90 amp receptacle protected by 200 amp fusing is in danger of being overloaded.

I think that the confusion that arises comes from the concept that a 200 amp load is going to be plugged into a 200 amp receptacle. When you're dealing with plugs and receptacles in excess of 20 amps, that doesn't necessarily follow. The cord, plug and receptacle are normally often selected at the time of installation; they need to be sufficient for the load, but there is no danger in having them too big.

The fusing is normally selected specifically for the load, so there's not really an issue with the receptacle and fusing having different values.

At 20 amps and below, the situation tends to be different. Specifically, if a load is supplied with a cord with a 20 amp plug, it almost certainly draws more current than can legally be supplied by a 15 amp circuit. And 15 and 20 amp circuits are pretty much generic--you find an existing receptacle in the wall, and plug into it. So, if one were to put a 20 amp receptacle on a 15 amp circuit, there is more of a danger that someone will plug in a load that needs a 20 amp circuit.

[This message has been edited by SolarPowered (edited 12-21-2004).]
Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Member Spotlight
Member Since: 12/24/00
Posts: 4259
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box


Who's Online
1 registered (gfretwell), 95 Guests and 9 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
 
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
 
Top Posters (30 Days)
Admin 47
HotLine1 43
gfretwell 19
Ruben Rocha 12
Trumpy 9
 
Newest Members
Freecrowder, clee512, Jdscott2005, FAIZAN, Regitest2

ECN Electrical Forums - sponsored by Electrical Contractor Network - Electrical and Code Related Discussion for Electrical Contractors, Electricians, Inspectors, Instructors, Engineers and other related Professionals