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#90317 - 11/14/04 07:21 PM Connecting Appliances with cords
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Article 422.16 talks to connecting appliances with cord and cap connections, including such things as built in ovens and cook tops. Am I to understand that unless the manufacturer specifically cautions against this approach that it would be code compliant to connect appliances with a cord? What about a steamer or other appliances not listed in 422?

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#90318 - 11/15/04 11:42 AM Re: Connecting Appliances with cords
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George:
As I read 422.16, yes, if the item is specifically designed, electrically AND mechanically; and the appliance is identified/intended for flexible cord connection
(2002 NEC Handbook)

There is a lot of controversy with Atricle 400 (400.7 Allowed; 400.8 Not permitted)

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#90319 - 11/15/04 05:45 PM Re: Connecting Appliances with cords
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John, you've added your own spin on the quote from the handbook. Thats my point. If you can remove the appliance for repair readily is what the handbook says, then I can wire it with a cord. I doubt that you will find many ovens or cooktops that will say "Okay to connect with a cord". I would approve an electric appliance connected with a cord or even a gas appliance with a cord unless the directions said "Hard wirl only"
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#90320 - 11/16/04 02:38 PM Re: Connecting Appliances with cords
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George:
Sorry, I did not type the text verbatum from the Handbook.
The point that I was attempting to make is like what you said...Hard wire only...no cord.

The controversy with 400.7 & 400.8 is that cord should not be used to "hardwire" an item.....not using cord with a cap.? correct??

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#90321 - 11/16/04 04:39 PM Re: Connecting Appliances with cords
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George, I don't see any reason not to "Cord and Plug" connect these appliances.
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If you can remove the appliance for repair readily is what the handbook says, then I can wire it with a cord.
Regardless of what the handbook says, can a disposal or a dishwasher be removed any more readily than a built in oven or cooktop?

As allowed in 422, these appliances are normally "Cord and Plug"
connected.

Roger

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#90322 - 11/16/04 05:44 PM Re: Connecting Appliances with cords
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422.33 Disconnection of Cord-and-Plug-Connected Appliances.
(A) Separable Connector or an Attachment Plug and Receptacle. For cord-and-plug-connected appliances, an accessible separable connector or an accessible plug and receptacle shall be permitted to serve as the disconnecting means. Where the separable connector or plug and receptacle are not accessible, cord-and-plug-connected appliances shall be provided with disconnecting means in accordance with 422.31.
(B) Connection at the Rear Base of a Range. For cord-and-plug-connected household electric ranges, an attachment plug and receptacle connection at the rear base of a range, if it is accessible from the front by removal of a drawer, shall be considered as meeting the intent of 422.33(A).
(C) Rating. The rating of a receptacle or of a separable connector shall not be less than the rating of any appliance connected thereto.


I too don't see any reason not to cord connect, provided not excluded other-wise by manufacturer. So long as ratings and accessablity is complied with. Normally I will cord connect ranges and dishwashers in adjacent cabinets, cook-tops below. Ovens on the otherhand, it depends on the oven....
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#90323 - 11/16/04 06:44 PM Re: Connecting Appliances with cords
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If an appliance such as an oven or cooktop came with a whip, and a lot of them do, I would expect the appliance to be connected to a J-box and thus "hard wired". If the appliance came with no whip and it was easily disconnected from it's mount and other possible connections, I would have no problem approving a cord and cap type connection. I would not expect to qualify my approval based on a permission in the manufacturer's installation guide. On the other hand, if the instructions said "Do not cord connect" I would support that directive.
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#90324 - 11/16/04 07:14 PM Re: Connecting Appliances with cords
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George, all due respect, I don't understand your post.

In the first part you say,
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If an appliance such as an oven or cooktop came with a whip, and a lot of them do, I would expect the appliance to be connected to a J-box and thus "hard wired".


Now I must ask, where is it prohibited for us to change this?

Then you say,
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I would not expect to qualify my approval based on a permission in the manufacturer's installation guide.


For an example, if I chose to order pre whipped fixtures for a project and one of these fixtures fixtures will not work as planed and is changed to hard pipe, would you red tag the installation?

As a matter of fact, we will order negotiated large frame panelboards with xxx breakers installed that we will remove and use on other jobs due to the fact we can buy these componets cheaper this way.

Now in your opinion, does removing a given I-Line breaker (for example) from a factory assembled panel mean the breaker or the panel can not be used or installed in any other wiring method that would be allowed per the NEC?

Roger

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#90325 - 11/16/04 07:46 PM Re: Connecting Appliances with cords
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Roger, I was thinking of the situation where an appliance came with a whip containing high temperature insulation on the wires. I should have made that point clear. Sometimes when I post my remarks my thoughts don't quite make it from my brain down my arms to my finger tips
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#90326 - 11/16/04 09:00 PM Re: Connecting Appliances with cords
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If an appliance such as an oven or cooktop came with a whip, and a lot of them do, I would expect the appliance to be connected to a J-box and thus "hard wired".
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I also agree, and use that as reasoning not to cord connect.
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