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#89144 - 09/05/04 04:18 PM Here's a Neat and Workmanlike Installation!
Joe Tedesco Offline

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 3325
Loc: Boston, Massachusetts USA
You know how we always complain about violations, so I saw a job in a very large custom home the other day.

This home is about 7,000-8,000 sq. ft. with 5 car garage, home office, maid's quarters, etc.

The job has been going on for 2 years now. I gave it a 2nd floor rough inspection, then a 1st floor rough inspection.

I haven't even done the basement or the service yet.

The man who is doing the wiring here is very neat in his workmanship.

I have sent you 3 pictures of just how neat his work is.

1. Neat Wiring shows a run of about 10-12 Romex wires running around a curved ceiling. Each wire was laid flat and neat next to each other.

2. Neat Wiring 2 shows how he lays each wire along side each other in a
dropped ceiling area next to a curved doorway.

3. Neat Wiring 3 also shows how he lays out his wiring inside of a domed

Just thought you would like to see these.

Have a Great Holiday.

Thank you Harold!
Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant

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#89145 - 09/05/04 06:01 PM Re: Here's a Neat and Workmanlike Installation!
Jim M Offline

Registered: 08/10/01
Posts: 453
Loc: Chestertown, MD, USA
While I am impressed by the neat cable runs the pancake box looks like it is over filled with 2 12-2 cables in it. Unless there is a local prohibition against more than one cable in a hole, he would have done less structural damage by drilling fewer and larger holes. I can't tell what he has drilled through in pic #2 but there is only about an inch or so between most holes.

[This message has been edited by Jim M (edited 09-05-2004).]

#89146 - 09/05/04 07:36 PM Re: Here's a Neat and Workmanlike Installation!
e57 Offline

Registered: 05/27/03
Posts: 2837
Loc: S.F.,CA USA
Doesn't look all that bad....

Could stand to invest in some stackers though, and leave some room for everyone else.

I'm sure there is some sort of Homeworks, or other sort of dimming/swithing system that reqired all of that 2-wire. Where all that 2-wire is going should be some site?!

But the pancake is a no-brainer, or aught to be!
Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason

#89147 - 09/05/04 07:51 PM Re: Here's a Neat and Workmanlike Installation!
CRM Offline

Registered: 02/29/04
Posts: 73
Loc: Alberta Canada
Its a good installation, just admit it, instead of trying to rip it apart. I think thats why a lot of people don't post pictures of their own installations, because there is always somebody ready to rip it apart.

#89148 - 09/05/04 09:54 PM Re: Here's a Neat and Workmanlike Installation!
OreElect Offline

Registered: 03/05/04
Posts: 96
Loc: Salem,Oregon.USA
must have taken a case of staples for that job

#89149 - 09/05/04 10:07 PM Re: Here's a Neat and Workmanlike Installation!
gfretwell Offline


Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 9023
Loc: Estero,Fl,usa
I do agree with the others, The #12s in the pancake box is troubling. A pancake is only good for one 14/2 romex (6cu/in)
Greg Fretwell

#89150 - 09/06/04 03:07 AM Re: Here's a Neat and Workmanlike Installation!
PCBelarge Offline

Registered: 06/08/03
Posts: 657
Loc: Dobbs Ferry, NY, USA
If the pancake box is his only issue, he has done very well. Most installations I see would have draped the cables over the framing in the space above the ceiling and called it a day.

I see a lot of pride here - something I would like to see more of.

When a residential job takes a long time to complete, it is hard to keep the work as neat as this.

Pierre Belarge

#89151 - 09/06/04 03:56 AM Re: Here's a Neat and Workmanlike Installation!
walrus Offline

Registered: 07/25/02
Posts: 671
Loc: Bangor Me. USA
I agree with PC in that its obvious there is alot of pride in that work. I'll admit that I doubt I would take as much time to lay it out like that.

#89152 - 09/06/04 07:32 PM Re: Here's a Neat and Workmanlike Installation!
HotLine1 Offline


Registered: 04/03/02
Posts: 6791
Loc: Brick, NJ USA
To play the devil's advocate, someone taking pride in cable layout, and meticulously dressing the runs like the pics......damn straight he has a canopy fixture or possibly a fan going on that pancake box.

Hey Harold, you are a stand-up guy for taking the time to take the pics, and post them here on a real nice professional, pride type job.


#89153 - 09/06/04 08:21 PM Re: Here's a Neat and Workmanlike Installation!
BigB Offline

Registered: 03/31/04
Posts: 725
Loc: Tucson, AZ USA
Would the fixture canopy bring the pancake into compliance?

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