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#87778 - 04/14/04 06:57 AM inspections
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Registered: 04/04/02
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Apon a failed inspection is it required by the inspector to leave a code artical reference.I think so. How ever we had one fail and the inspector tells home owner to have us call for reason of failure.This is very time consuming when he`s not avalible is there a rule he must follow for this.He didn`t even leave anything in the inspection box? Just wandering what if anything could be done about this.

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#87779 - 04/14/04 11:02 AM Re: inspections
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Registered: 08/07/03
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Loc: North Logan, Utah, USA
Are you saying the inspector left verbal notice with the owner that the work failed inspection, but gave no explaination why? This seems very unproffessional. As far as rules go: 80.19(F)(5) requires written notice stating the defects found. But article 80 may not have been adopted in your area. The applicable building code may have some applicable rules. IRC R109 requires notification of why the work failed inspection. This includes electrical inspections. The IBC has similar language, but doesn't seem to include electrical inspections. These code sections do not seem to specifically require a code section reference, but they do require a statement of the problem(s) found.

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#87780 - 04/14/04 03:31 PM Re: inspections
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Reel Break:

As to the "rules", it depends on your area, and what administrative regs/rules are adopted.

I personally am not familiar with Article 80, as NJ has a Uniform Construction Code, which takes all administrative rules & regs.

Here, an AHJ must note an Article # for a "Legal" fail (Red Sticker). Is that the case? Most cases, yes; some areas, no. The state also has procedures to debate a questionable 'call' by an AHJ.

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#87781 - 04/16/04 05:32 AM Re: inspections
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Ok sorry I didn`t get back sooner. He didn`t actually fail the job he just didn`t sign off on it because he needed some questions answered about the location of some wires rolled in the wall with no box.Going to be entertainment center built in so we left wiring to be fished later as well as some speaker wires.They were labeled with a piece of tape?? And they were actually legable.Just wish he`d left something written in the box or something.Kinda like being called to the office not knowing why and worrying all day. Thanks.

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#87782 - 04/18/04 02:49 PM Re: inspections
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Loc: Shinnston, WV USA
You've just shown a good example of why the installing electrician should be present for an inspection. It is not the inspectors job to figure out what that wire is going to do, labeled or not.

Also, if you are present, you can keep the homeowner out of the loop. They tend to worry too much about these things.

Tom
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#87783 - 04/18/04 04:16 PM Re: inspections
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Registered: 10/10/03
Posts: 263
Loc: Arlington MA U.S.
Good point Tom. Customers should not be the ones meeting the inspector.

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#87784 - 04/20/04 07:40 AM Re: inspections
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Hey Tom does your inspector do appointments? Hell who has time to sit and wait all day.We always try and be there but.... Doesn`t always workout.But if we have a wire with a ledgable label saying.20 amp supply to entertainment center wire to be fished . And the other labeled speaker wire future use.I don`t see the problem.I truely wish that inspectors would adhere to some sort of schedule or at least pick up a cell ph. Hey I`m on the way to....I know they`re busy and respect fully the job.But I think sometimes they wake up with additude like the poeple at the DMV where you get your lic. tags..(lol)PLease don`t bash me I enjoy this site and knowlegde I`ve gained from you all.I think if it fails leave a clear message of what you need in the inspection box with artical ref if at all possible.

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#87785 - 04/21/04 12:02 PM Re: inspections
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Reelbreak:
BTW, if I wake up with an attitude, it's usually good! If it's bad, I leave it in my truck.

Appointments?, Ha. Most EC's know to call the office (AM of insp), and get a "Ball park" time. We work geographically, in a 32 Sq Mile Twp, as that is the most efficient method.

The EC is not required to be at the site, but it sure "helps". Heck, a small problem may be corrected, avoiding a red sticker, and a re-inspection.

BTW, we average at least 15 inspections a day, resi, comm, ind, you name it. From alarm installs to 6000 amp services, and everything between.

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#87786 - 04/21/04 02:46 PM Re: inspections
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Registered: 08/07/03
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Loc: North Logan, Utah, USA
We ask contractors to call our office 24 hours in advance and we give them an appointment. I don't mean "some time in the morning" etc. I mean an appointment, which we endeavor to meet. Sometimes, if a previous inspection takes longer than expected, we may show up a few minutes late. But if it's going to be more than about 20 minutes late, we'll have our office call the contractor and let them know we've hit a snag and find out if they can wait or if they need to reschedule. Heck, if a contractor calls less than 24 hours in advance and we have an open slot on the schedule, we'll give 'em an appointment.

Our inspection load per inspector is a little lighter than hotline's

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#87787 - 04/21/04 09:01 PM Re: inspections
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Registered: 01/22/04
Posts: 609
Loc: Northern IL
One village around here makes appointments. It was great. I was calling in the inspection and she asked what time. I was floored.

But nothing beats Tinley Park. I was just out there a couple of days ago. From what I understand they only require 2 hour notice as a matter of policy. I couldn't believe it. I gauged about what time I'd be ready, called it in at 1:45, inspector was out at 3:00.

Gives a whole new meaning to public service.

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