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#87428 - 03/08/04 05:51 PM Shower light red tag
watthead Offline
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Registered: 10/13/01
Posts: 182
Loc: South Carolina
Need help with code that requires GFCI on a shower luminare. I got a red tag on one today but no code reference was stated. Maybe one of our inspector members has the number handy.

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#87429 - 03/08/04 06:32 PM Re: Shower light red tag
stamcon Offline
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Registered: 03/24/01
Posts: 322
Loc: So San Francisco CA
Is this a recessed luminaire? Does the luminaire manufacturer state to GFCI protect it? 99NEC doesn't require it to be GFCI protected, but it must be listed for a wet or damp location and installed per manufacturers instructions. Can the code be a local code?

[This message has been edited by stamcon (edited 03-08-2004).]

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#87430 - 03/08/04 06:47 PM Re: Shower light red tag
watthead Offline
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Registered: 10/13/01
Posts: 182
Loc: South Carolina
It is a recessed enclosed damp location fixture. The 02NEC is addopted without any ammendments. I didn't see any GFCI instructions in the installation data, although my face would be as red as the tag if it were a code that I had missed. The general showed me the citation, to which I commented that if it was a code requirement, the inspector didn't know what the code reference was either.

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#87431 - 03/09/04 03:48 AM Re: Shower light red tag
Electricmanscott Offline
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Registered: 01/12/02
Posts: 1478
Loc: Holden, MA USA
No need for gfci on this.

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#87432 - 03/10/04 06:56 PM Re: Shower light red tag
harold endean Offline
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Registered: 02/16/02
Posts: 2248
Loc: Boonton, NJ
Just a thought here, how about sec 110.3(B)? The fixture has to be installed as per the manufactures instructions? Maybe the AHJ saw something that we didn't. If it isn't required by the manufacture, then GFI protection wouldn't be required.

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#87433 - 03/10/04 07:48 PM Re: Shower light red tag
watthead Offline
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Loc: South Carolina
A call to the building inspection office to request the section that was being enforced was fielded by the two senior officials who were in. The first put me on hold, and the second one told me in a very condesending tone that it was under wet location. He didnt have time to look it up right then but when pressed for the code section, told me he would call me back with it. Later that day I received a call from a very nice young inspector who admitted that there was no such code in the NEC. He did ask for the listing on the fixture to be sure it was listed for the installation. I supplied the requested listing and think that we are straight on the issue.

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#87434 - 03/10/04 08:02 PM Re: Shower light red tag
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Registered: 12/24/00
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#87435 - 03/10/04 08:07 PM Re: Shower light red tag
Ryan_J Offline
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Registered: 08/19/03
Posts: 1355
Loc: West Jordan, Utah, USA
Well done Watthead.

Whether the inspector will admit or not, you helped him as well as yourself.

I don't think anybody wins when an inspector is wrong and the electrician corrects the non-violation anyway.
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#87436 - 03/11/04 05:50 PM Re: Shower light red tag
harold endean Offline
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Registered: 02/16/02
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Even though I am an AHJ, I was never afraid to ask ( nicely though! ) What code aection I was in violation of and I was never afraid to question the inspector. That is one of the reasons I got my inspectors Lic. This way if/when they failed me, I was able to question them back on their level. Some AHJ's will talk down to a contractors. (and even worse to homeowners.) I always tell everyone, not to be afraid of any of my decisions. If you feel that I am wrong. I will be glad to show them what code section I feel is in violation. If you can prove to me that your way is safe and hazard free and meets the intent of the code, then I might change my way to your way of thinking.

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