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#85947 - 08/21/03 06:31 PM Recessed lights over whirlpool tub.
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A customer wants 2 hi-hats over a tub. I have done this before and installed a shower trim. However, she would like 4" size. I can't fing a 4" shower trim, but I also think they may not be necessary. Is the area over a tub considered a damp location, or is this a call for the AHJ?

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#85948 - 08/21/03 07:27 PM Re: Recessed lights over whirlpool tub.
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Registered: 01/28/02
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Loc: Statesboro, GA USA
Redsy, I went through this with my AHJ a few months ago. He said i needed a shower trim and i said i dont think that a ceiling above a tub is a wet location in the eyes of the NEC. He read the definition of a wet/damp location in art 100 and agreed with me. Most open trims are listed for damp locations and thats what we use over a tub.

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#85949 - 08/22/03 04:55 AM Re: Recessed lights over whirlpool tub.
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Thanks for the quick input, arsegee.
I am concerned that if we install 4" cans and he flags the final, I'll have to cut out the fixtures to install 6".
I will discuss it first.

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#85950 - 08/22/03 09:15 AM Re: Recessed lights over whirlpool tub.
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Redsy

Juno makes a shower trim for their IC-1 housing that uses a 50PAR20. You could install what ever trim style the owner wants and if the inspector give you a hard time change the trim to the shower trims. I don't remember the part number right now but can post it for you later today. Juno also makes a 6" shower trim for their IC-2 housing that uses a 75PAR38 lamp.

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#85951 - 08/22/03 11:09 AM Re: Recessed lights over whirlpool tub.
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Registered: 03/26/03
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Loc: Bridgehampton, N.Y. USA
I have used open bulb recess over tubs with no problem as long as there isn't a shower.

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#85952 - 08/22/03 09:42 PM Re: Recessed lights over whirlpool tub.
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For anyone that's interested here is a link to Juno's 4" Housings and trims. The shower trim that uses a 50PAR20 is the 12W-WH or 12W-SC http://www.junolighting.com/pdf/spec/G3_1_0.pdf
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#85953 - 08/23/03 05:08 AM Re: Recessed lights over whirlpool tub.
Redsy Offline
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Registered: 03/28/01
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Thanks a lot Curt.
I couldn't find 4" showere trims so far.
I appreciate the help.

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#85954 - 08/23/03 07:06 AM Re: Recessed lights over whirlpool tub.
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Registered: 08/07/03
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Hi, thought I would add my two cents. If the bulb exploded, would you want to be under it in the tub? Just a thought.

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#85955 - 08/23/03 04:15 PM Re: Recessed lights over whirlpool tub.
GTE Offline
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Richard,
If a bulb exploded anywhere, would you want to be under it? Just a thought.

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