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#85466 - 07/07/03 04:05 PM 2005 ROP available now
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The 2005 ROP is available for download now. Get started on your comments!!
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#85467 - 07/07/03 05:46 PM Re: 2005 ROP available now
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Don,

If a proposal was rejected because supporting evidence did not acompany it can it be provided now with comments? Or is it too late for that?

Bill

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#85468 - 07/07/03 06:03 PM Re: 2005 ROP available now
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...just slightly off topic -

Don - I had heard NFPA was going to provide access to older ROPs/ROCs via the internet.

Is this true? If so, what kind of timetable before these are available?
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#85469 - 07/07/03 06:23 PM Re: 2005 ROP available now
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Bill,
I'm not sure, but I think that you can submit supporting evidence in the comment stage. I know that you cannot submit new or substantially changed wording, but as long as it supports the original proposal, they should consider it.

Dana,
I haven't heard that the older ROPs and ROCs were going to be placed online. It would be a good idea.

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#85470 - 07/07/03 08:11 PM Re: 2005 ROP available now
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Don,

My reason for asking is that I had submitted a proposal for an Exception to 210.8(B)(3) that would allow a Receptacle behind an Appliance (ie: Refrigerator) in Commercial Kitchen to be non-GFCI protected.
It was rejected for lack of substantiation.

My "substantiation" was that GFCI protection is not required behind Refrigerators in Dwelling Units and it is already recognized in 525.23(B) that some cooking and refrigeration equipment is incompatible with GFCI protection and therefore not required by that section. I thought that an established code section would provide substantiation for a proposal that (I thought) just asks for some consistancy among sections.

What are your thoughts? Was my reasoning flawed?

Bill

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#85471 - 07/08/03 03:04 AM Re: 2005 ROP available now
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Hello Bill

For other than an appliance, what would the need for a receptacle be? Such as behind a refridgerator, which is not really accessible anyway, is it?

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#85472 - 07/08/03 07:20 AM Re: 2005 ROP available now
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Bill,
Sometimes the CMPs are real picky about what they will accept. The nondwelling unit kitchen GFCI requirement has generated a number of proposals. I don't think that this issue will be completely resolved this code cycle.
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#85473 - 07/08/03 07:34 AM Re: 2005 ROP available now
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Pierre,

I'm not sure what you mean.
I thought that pointing to something already established/conceded in another area of the same standard would be a good substantiation, and an opportunity to get rid of another inconsistancy.

Bill

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#85474 - 07/08/03 08:18 AM Re: 2005 ROP available now
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Don,

I thought it was a good argument just on the basis of existing code sections. What do you think?

Bill
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#85475 - 07/08/03 09:11 AM Re: 2005 ROP available now
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Bill,
I think that should be good enough, but apparently the CMP doesn't.
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