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#83602 - 07/13/02 12:36 PM 230.6 Conductors Considered Outside the Building  
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[Linked Image]

2002 NEC Section 230.6 Conductors Considered Outside the Building.

This is NOT a Code VIOLATION! This image only shows how the rule was enforced by an Electrical Inspector in the Midwest.




[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 02-09-2003).]


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#83603 - 07/17/02 05:56 PM Re: 230.6 Conductors Considered Outside the Building  
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I heard a story one time that the ingenious installer just built a box and filled it with concrete mix ie. no water.
The bag(s) said "concrete".

Glenn


#83604 - 02/09/03 10:47 PM Re: 230.6 Conductors Considered Outside the Building  
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This picture was relocated from the Violations area, and is still there and closed.

This location here is a better place for this image to be posted so that it can be discussed by those who understand the specific rule in 230.6 and how it is supposed to be applied. [Linked Image]


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#83605 - 02/10/03 12:02 AM Re: 230.6 Conductors Considered Outside the Building  
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Joe,where would you as an inspector draw the line? Or could this be extended indefinitely?

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#83606 - 02/10/03 03:10 AM Re: 230.6 Conductors Considered Outside the Building  
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While doing a remodel of a condo building we had to move the service from the cellar to the first floor lobby. We went about 30' into the building this way. We ran 2- 2" RNCs and the carpenters formed and poured them in.


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#83607 - 02/10/03 07:19 AM Re: 230.6 Conductors Considered Outside the Building  
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ga.sparky56

I personally would have allowed the service raceway here, containing the service entrance conductors to be installed without the concrete encasement.

There are millions of these installations around the USA. During my own career while inspecting service raceways in the Northeast, I have seen many that had to pass over the oil tank to reach the service equipment because of the entry into a basement.

I believe the LA City Code includes some rule that allows the raceway with service entrance conductors to be run into a building for more than 25 feet.

I don't have that Code, so I cannot be sure.

If someone from the Los Angeles area can take a look, I would appreciate that help.


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#83608 - 02/10/03 09:04 AM Re: 230.6 Conductors Considered Outside the Building  
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Would this particular installation have been used to obtain the proper clearance from the corner w/o using a disco outside?


#83609 - 02/10/03 10:25 AM Re: 230.6 Conductors Considered Outside the Building  
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I would say so, and the duct would have been a question as it relates to working spaces above, etc., rules


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#83610 - 02/10/03 11:26 AM Re: 230.6 Conductors Considered Outside the Building  
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Pardon my ignorance here, but would it be a requirment for that lump of concrete to be tied to the wall, or can we just hang that much weight off of the box?

TW


#83611 - 02/10/03 01:40 PM Re: 230.6 Conductors Considered Outside the Building  
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Since the maximum dimension is not specificed in the code, only the inspectors approval or disapproval makes it code compliant or not.

I don't think concrete should make us believe that the conductors are outside of the house. A drywall wrapping would appear equivalent.

A better location appears to be on the other wall, but I not would require that it be moved or that the conduit be placed in concrete.


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