The Electrical Contractor Network

ECN Electrical Forum
Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

Books, Tools and Test Equipment for Electrical and Construction Trades

   
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#83097 - 01/09/03 05:07 PM Inspectors strange interpretation
Roger Offline
Member
Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 1779
Loc: N.C.
I posted this at the M.H. forum also.

Talking to another electrician today who works in another area.

He tells me there is an inspector in this area, who says, when using NM in a commercial building, the NM in attics and basements must be enclosed on both sides, within 15 minute finish rating in living area and attic or basement area.

He said the inspector is using (twisting in my oppinion) the wording of 334.10(3).

I proceeded to tell him I was glad we do zilch in NM work and don't work in this area.

After thinking about it,I thought I would see what oppinions would come up here.

Roger
Top
2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides
#83098 - 01/09/03 06:51 PM Re: Inspectors strange interpretation
spyder Offline
Member
Registered: 10/14/02
Posts: 211
Loc: Massachusetts
I have never run into this before, but he may have a point after reading 334.10(3). Learn something new everyday. I almost always use MC cable anyway for commercial.
Top
#83099 - 01/13/03 01:31 PM Re: Inspectors strange interpretation
sparky Offline
Member
Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5545
requiring all residential basements to have a 15 min. fire rating would be a stretch...but what trade would he come down on?
Top
#83100 - 01/13/03 07:06 PM Re: Inspectors strange interpretation
rmiell Offline
Member
Registered: 11/09/00
Posts: 261
Loc: La Junta, Co. USA
Why on both sides? Doesn't 1/2" sheetrock provide a 15 minute rating? Or is it 3/4"? Either way, if this rated material meets the requirement of a 15 minute barrier, anything on the other side has no effect.

Rick Miell
Top
#83101 - 01/15/03 05:13 PM Re: Inspectors strange interpretation
HotLine1 Offline


Member
Registered: 04/03/02
Posts: 6833
Loc: Brick, NJ USA
Clue me in guys:
Quote from above:
"He tells me there is an inspector in this area, who says, when using NM in a commercial building, the NM in attics and basements must be enclosed on both sides, within 15 minute finish rating in living area and attic or basement area."

Are we saying above that the ceilings must be 15 min. fire rated: and the "floors have to be 15 min fire rated also??

Or to put it another way:
OPen joist ceilings, or attic floors CANNOT have NMC wiring???

1/2" sheetrock is at least a 15 min fire rating. 2 layers of 5/8" make a 1 hour wall I believe. Tommorow, I have to ask the Building Inspector, and the Electric Sub-Code Official (Head Inspector) for clarifications.

John
_________________________
John
Top
#83102 - 01/16/03 01:35 PM Re: Inspectors strange interpretation
sparky Offline
Member
Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5545
well good luck John,
somehow insinuating mc cable for residential wiring reeks of that steel tube institute's vengance on the 3 strory nm deal....
Top
#83103 - 01/16/03 07:31 PM Re: Inspectors strange interpretation
HotLine1 Offline


Member
Registered: 04/03/02
Posts: 6833
Loc: Brick, NJ USA
The clarifications will have to wait until Tuesday evening, as both gentlemen where "out" today, & I don't go back 'till Tuesday
John
_________________________
John
Top
#83104 - 01/17/03 05:06 PM Re: Inspectors strange interpretation
Roger Offline
Member
Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 1779
Loc: N.C.
I hate it when somebody or an inspector uses (in their oppinion) the "thats not the intent" clause.

But in this case, the pure wording of 334.10{3}, IMO, is not the intent.

Roger
Top
#83105 - 01/19/03 02:21 PM Re: Inspectors strange interpretation
harold endean Offline
Member
Registered: 02/16/02
Posts: 2248
Loc: Boonton, NJ
I am reading the IAEI "Analysis of the 2002 NEC" book and on page 185 in reference to 334.10 it says "Type NM, Type NMC and Type NMS cables shall be permitted to be used in the following:

(1) One- and Two-family dwellings.

(2) Multifamily dwellings permitted to be of Types III, IV, and V construction except as prohibited in 334.12

(3) Other structures permitted to be of Types III, IV, and Type V construction except as prohibitied in 334.12. Cables shall be concealed within walls, floors or ceilings that provide a thermal barrier of material that has at least a 15-minute rating as identified in listings of fire-rated assemblies."


Does this help?
Top
#83106 - 01/19/03 05:23 PM Re: Inspectors strange interpretation
sparky Offline
Member
Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5545
a 15 min f-rating to protect the dwelling or the dwellings occupants??
Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box

Recent Posts
Forum Styles
by Admin
Today at 02:08 AM
License exam
by TRUE POWER
Yesterday at 09:16 PM
Looking for older post
by sparkyinak
Yesterday at 12:27 AM
Members: Non-Members: Did you know?
by Admin
01/22/17 02:34 PM
Safety at heights?
by HotLine1
01/21/17 08:51 PM

Who's Online
2 registered (dougwells, Admin), 190 Guests and 12 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
New in the Gallery:
Desk-mounted "power-board"
Top Posters
gfretwell 9066
Trumpy 8560
pauluk 7693
HotLine1 6833
sparky 5545
Member Spotlight
Member Since: 11/11/05
Posts: 190

ECN Electrical Forums - sponsored by Electrical Contractor Network - Electrical and Code Related Discussion for Electrical Contractors, Electricians, Inspectors, Instructors, Engineers and other related Professionals