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#81999 - 10/13/02 08:23 PM would you replace 2wire receptacles like this?
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What are the issues with installing gfci receptacles at one location to be able to replace 2 wire receptacles with 3 wire recep.on the load side.Panel located in garage.
I can think of a few.1 would be that if one of these gfci is for kitchen countertops,then a receptacle in the garage is also on that circuit.Same goes for bathroom.

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#82000 - 10/14/02 04:36 AM Re: would you replace 2wire receptacles like this?
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~proper marking (as you know) re; GFI protected, No equipment grd.....is all that is required i believe, any other issue is of a user freindly nature....

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#82001 - 10/14/02 07:14 AM Re: would you replace 2wire receptacles like this?
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What about the requirement that kitchen small appliance circuts and bathroom circuits can't feed receptacles in other areas? They make GFCIs that don't have the built-in recept that would work fine here...

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#82002 - 10/14/02 07:33 AM Re: would you replace 2wire receptacles like this?
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n1ist,
Welcome to the forum.
The installer went thru alot of extra work to cut in these boxes,intercept the wires feeding the receptacles downstream(for the load side)then feed new wire into the panel( for the line side)The boxes are cut into wood that was mounted over the sheetrock.After all that,it still isn't code compliant.
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#82003 - 10/14/02 05:59 PM Re: would you replace 2wire receptacles like this?
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n1ist,
good catch!, welcome!

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#82004 - 10/15/02 10:38 AM Re: would you replace 2wire receptacles like this?
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N1ist, Welcome to the Forum.

Congrats, Donnie, on tackling the wilds of UBB and HTML

Around here, I've come to understand that 250.110 and especially 250.114 still apply to the loads connected to GFI protected 2-wire ungrounded branch circuits. 406.3(D)(3)provides for the wiring method shown in the photo above, but when I bring in, say, a desktop computer with its grounded power supply cord, 250.114 says I still have to get the EGC connected to the power supply cord.

Al

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#82005 - 10/15/02 05:39 PM Re: would you replace 2wire receptacles like this?
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Thanks Al,I was starting to wonder if I'd ever figure it out !

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