The Electrical Contractor Network

ECN Electrical Forum
Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals

Books, Tools and Test Equipment for Electrical and Construction Trades

Register Now!

Register Now!

We want your input!

Featured:
   

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

   
Recent Posts
Calling all Non-US members!! (Non-US only)
by aussie240
Today at 02:39 AM
Photo Upload Tutorial
by DanK
Yesterday at 11:35 PM
Sprinklered equipment 26-008
by bigpapa
12/02/16 04:24 PM
On Delay Relay with Auto Reset
by Potseal
12/01/16 09:59 AM
Wow, that was close!
by jraef
11/28/16 07:06 PM
New in the Gallery:
12.5A through 0.75mm˛ flex (just out of curiosity)
Shout Box

Top Posters (30 Days)
gfretwell 13
HotLine1 9
Texas_Ranger 8
sparkyinak 7
Trumpy 6
Who's Online
0 registered (), 201 Guests and 5 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#81217 - 07/24/02 07:51 PM Commercial Kitchen GFCI
arseegee Offline
Member

Registered: 01/28/02
Posts: 321
Loc: Statesboro, GA USA
210.8 B(3) - To what extent should this rule be applied. Would this cover refrigeration too? Stand up coolers and prep tables with refridgeration? There's no exception like 210.8 A (excptn #2). Can anyone shine some light.

[This message has been edited by arseegee (edited 07-25-2002).]

Top
2014 / 2011 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides
#81218 - 07/25/02 03:07 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI
HotLine1 Offline

Member

Registered: 04/03/02
Posts: 6804
Loc: Brick, NJ USA
Arseegee:
Looks like no one wants to touch this???
Basically, I can tell you how I handle this situation, with no problems from the various AHJ's.
If it's in a comm kitchen, and it's above a counter, table, etc., it is a GFI
The counters with refrig, we mount a eceptacle behind the unit (single) that is NEC conformant.
A "dedicated" outlet for a device that is intended to stay plugged-in all the time again, is a single receptacle. Where two items plug-in, it's a gfi.
Had no problems since 1986 with the above layout. Resturants, Diners, Country Club Kitchens, etc.

HotLine1
John
_________________________
John

Top
#81219 - 07/25/02 03:52 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI
arseegee Offline
Member

Registered: 01/28/02
Posts: 321
Loc: Statesboro, GA USA
Thanks John.

I'm with you on that. I have not done a commercial kitchen from the 2002 code but have two to do this month. And my city inspector just retired so I'll have a newbie busting my chops. I'll discuss it with him and let you know. The NEC could be a bit more clear on this rule I think.

Top
#81220 - 07/25/02 04:20 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI
Bill Addiss Offline
Member

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 4196
Loc: NY, USA
In the 2002 NEC there is no exception or allowance for single receptacles for dedicated equipment in Commercial Kitchens. Talk to your AHJ though and see what he says. If you have to use a GFCI receptacle I would put it where it is easily reachable or else use a GFCI CB.

Bill

Top
#81221 - 07/25/02 04:40 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI
arseegee Offline
Member

Registered: 01/28/02
Posts: 321
Loc: Statesboro, GA USA
Bill,

My concern is electrostatic build up on the refridgeration compressors causing nuisance tripping. Would hate to have to restock a big cooler full of goodies out of my pocket. Your thoughts?

Top
#81222 - 07/25/02 04:49 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI
Bill Addiss Offline
Member

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 4196
Loc: NY, USA
I know what you mean and I don't like it personally. At any rate, you should make the owner aware that it is not your decision to make.

If it's not an oversight of the CMP it seems that the objection is to the outlet itself, not the equipment. There is no mention of GFCI being required for hardwired equipment BTW.

Bill

[This message has been edited by Bill Addiss (edited 07-25-2002).]

Top
#81223 - 09/17/02 08:48 PM Re: Commercial Kitchen GFCI
John Steinke Offline
Member

Registered: 04/03/01
Posts: 509
Loc: Reno,Nv., USA
Look at the bright side: Next year, new UL standards will take effect that include mandating that GFI's be more resistant to nuisance trips from refrigerators, etc. Leviton is already selling their "new" version.

Top



ECN Electrical Forums - sponsored by Electrical Contractor Network - Electrical and Code Related Discussion for Electrical Contractors, Electricians, Inspectors, Instructors, Engineers and other related Professionals