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#79453 - 12/27/01 10:27 PM 725.52(A) Ex. #2  
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What does this new exception mean? Does it throw out 725.55?
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#79454 - 12/28/01 08:53 AM Re: 725.52(A) Ex. #2  
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Being that the circuit is reclassified as a Class 1 circuit, it sure does look like it would invalidate 725.55


#79455 - 01/01/02 12:11 AM Re: 725.52(A) Ex. #2  
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This is an interesting change. I was taught to think that ONE reason for all the efforts to separate class 2 and 3 wiring from class 1 and power wiring was to protect the technician who thinks he is only dealing with 24 volts from inadvertently getting nailed with higher voltages. I guess this change pretty much nullifies that notion. All they must be concerned with is fire, induction, and fire/smoke characteristics of unprotected cabling!


#79456 - 01/01/02 11:31 AM Re: 725.52(A) Ex. #2  
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How can a Class 2 system which was installed by using Class 2 wiring become a Class 1 system just by removing the Class 2 marking on the system?

Would not the system need to be re-wired using 600 volt wiring and Chapter 3 wiring methods as per 725.27(B) ?


#79457 - 01/01/02 11:51 AM Re: 725.52(A) Ex. #2  
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Just changing the the wiring method doesn't make a Class 2 system a Class 1 system. I realy have no idea what CMP 16 was trying to do here. If this is applied in the way that it reads, it does away with 725.55 and I don't think that is the intent.
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#79458 - 01/01/02 11:52 AM Re: 725.52(A) Ex. #2  
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Glenn,

I think the key phrase in this is "installed as Class 1 circuits." This, as you point out, would require the use of an article 300 wiring method.

I can't imagine why someone would want to just go out & change & existing Class 2 or 3 installation, but there are plenty of times in new work where going to Class 1 makes sense.

This issue was posed at an IAEI chapter meeting several years ago (can't remember which chapter & when) & the response was split about evenly.

If the entire installation complies with Class 1 wiring requirements with an article 300 wiring method, I don't see the hazard that would be introduced. When I see an article 300 wiring method, I presume I'm dealing with at least 120 volts. On the other hand, I have seen lighting outlets wired with doorbell wire and telephone wire. What a surprise that would have been for someone if they cut the cable!

Don, sometimes I think the new code books should come with a deck of Tarot cards.

Tom

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#79459 - 01/01/02 12:26 PM Re: 725.52(A) Ex. #2  
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Maybe the 725.52(A) text and the FPN text should just remove words " reclassified and ".

Now the circuit is being installed as a Class 1 .



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