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#76359 - 01/19/01 07:57 PM There ought to be a Law?  
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OK,

(This is in the code section as it will inevitably involve some code discussion)

What is something that you think (seriously) should be included in the code?
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#76360 - 01/19/01 09:41 PM Re: There ought to be a Law?  
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I would be inclinded to exclude more than include. [Linked Image]


#76361 - 01/20/01 06:14 PM Re: There ought to be a Law?  
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Sparky,

What do you think should be excluded from the NEC? And could you please explain why?


#76362 - 01/20/01 07:37 PM Re: There ought to be a Law?  
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Inasmuch as many other orginizations have a bearing on the NEC, i really don't think they should always be included as some sort of code.

Don't get me wrong here, those other orginizations have there place, just not always in the NEC.

For instance, how many times have you got hung up on a code due to what is really a legal, not electrical interpertation?

That sort of thing kinda gets old...


#76363 - 01/21/01 11:46 AM Re: There ought to be a Law?  
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Sparky: Interesting statements. Is there a specific instance you could quote?


#76364 - 01/21/01 06:23 PM Re: There ought to be a Law?  
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Ben;
If I get hung up on the code, I , like many of us in the field, fall back on what would be the "electrical theory" intended in the NEC.

This becomes harder when influences with other concerns are introduced.

Inasmuch as it can be argued that the NEC is not a document of electrical design,it is also questionable as to it's usage for engineering, safety & liability.

There are hords or resources to address such matters.

I quess , on a good note, and to address the original Q, I would include some more electrical theory intended by codes that seem to go on for page after page.
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#76365 - 01/22/01 10:46 AM Re: There ought to be a Law?  
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Sparky,

Of your first paragraph of yesterdays post of electrical theory, why do some installers try ( I'm guessing to save money ) to attach the GEC to a 3/4" copper tubing water line which is near the service panel and not where the underground water line enters the crawl space about 45 feet away?

Yes, in electrical theory, the point of attachment near the service panel would provide the lowest resistance path, but it sure doesn't meet todays' code (see NEC 250-50, 4th paragraph).
His complaint to my boss of my reject was similar to " I'm an electrical engineer and that is the best place to attach the ground wire."

This was in 1997.

Glenn


#76366 - 01/22/01 06:02 PM Re: There ought to be a Law?  
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The exception makes sense, too bad it doesn't address distance. That would make even more sense in that GEC's are subject to voltage drop also.


#76367 - 01/22/01 06:09 PM Re: There ought to be a Law?  
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Ok, enough whinning...in keeping with Bill's original request...

422-16-b dishwashers & disposals....

There is a "permissive rule" that allows for cord and plug connections here.

I really wish it were straight code.... [Linked Image]

I've just seen too many pieces of romex under a sink abused due to exposure, or dishwashers reinstalled without proper grounding. [Linked Image]


#76368 - 01/23/01 06:54 PM Re: There ought to be a Law?  
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550-8-g the ol' mobile home heat tape receptacle....No GFI required !......somehow this sleezed by..


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