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#61784 - 02/02/06 03:46 PM Delta Systems  
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Go a call to install an air compressor in a shop that I found has a delta system in it. The compressor is 277/480 but the Delta is 120/240 with a wild leg. Ideas?


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#61785 - 02/02/06 04:21 PM Re: Delta Systems  
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What size is the motor? Does a frequency converter make any sense?


#61786 - 02/02/06 04:24 PM Re: Delta Systems  
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The motor itself is a three phase load, and doesn't know from wye or delta on the supply. It is _probably_ a dual voltage motor which could be re-connected in the terminal box to operate from a 240V supply. Of of the control/overload/protection hardware would need to be suitably re-configured or upgraded for the increased current and reduced voltage.

-Jon


#61787 - 02/02/06 04:45 PM Re: Delta Systems  
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I'm a little confused by something.

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The compressor is 277/480


Assuming the compressor is 3Ø 3W, you don't utilize a neutral so there's really no 277V involved.

Assuming the compressor is 480V 3Ø 3W, and assuming it's not a dual voltage motor (480V 3Ø & 240V 3Ø), then with a 240V delta system I think you're pretty much looking at installing a transformer to match the supply voltage to the compressor.

Radar


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#61788 - 02/02/06 04:56 PM Re: Delta Systems  
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In Europe a standard 230 / 400 motor can be star wired to match 3 x 400 and delta wired for the rare 3 x 230 grids.

It will mostly have six terminals and three jumpers to adjust it to local situation.

You do that in a different way?


#61789 - 02/02/06 06:48 PM Re: Delta Systems  
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Even when a motor is star connected, the neutral of the motor does not get connected to the neutral of the supply.

Common three phase supply voltages in the US are 208V, 240V and 480V, so there you don't find a common situation where you will want to switch a motor between star and delta.

Instead you see motors where there is a factor of two voltage difference between the different possible motor connections, eg 240V or 480V.

-Jon


#61790 - 02/02/06 07:13 PM Re: Delta Systems  
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@ winnie

mshaw says it is a 277/480 motor. This is nevertheless a typical star / delta ratio. Who knows where it comes from. Only mshaw can tell us whether it's got six terminals.

As a matter of fact I fully agree with you that it might be possible to run the motor delta wired at 240 with a remaining risk that it will burn due to overheating caused by low voltage.


#61791 - 02/02/06 07:55 PM Re: Delta Systems  
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We need some more info on the compressor.
If it's just a motor and belt driven compressor it most likely has a nine lead motor which can be hooked up as 460 volt or 230 volt.


#61792 - 02/03/06 07:42 AM Re: Delta Systems  
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Does a frequency converter make any sense?


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#61793 - 02/03/06 08:42 AM Re: Delta Systems  
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We have already installed frequency converters only to adjust local low voltage to motor nominal voltage. This is more a side effect but with small motors easier than a transformer, particularly interesting to run small 3p400V motors on 1p230V.


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