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#61583 - 01/28/06 04:44 PM Hey hacks. Just shoot them, it's quicker!
Redsy Offline
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Registered: 03/28/01
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Loc: Bucks County PA
I have a residential customer, a married couple in their 40s who are hearing impaired.
Very nice people. They have aluminum NM cable throughout which wasn't noted on the home inspection report(hack #1) when they bought their house 3 years ago.
I went to change a malfunctioning exterior fixture today. Vinyl siding, no outlet box, fixture strap screwed to the vinyl(hack #2).
Oddly, although the switch leg was 12/2 aluminum, the NM cable at the fixture was 14/3 copper. Found aluminum switch leg in attic. It disappears down the wall and magically reappears as copper, which would explain the intermittent operation of the fixture (hack #3). Also found several CU-only devices and a melted wirenut in a j-box splice (copper to aluminum)on a previous visit(hacks #4 & 5?).
These folks need to install special, low frequency smoke detectors for the hearing impaired, and have the whole house checked over, or better yet, move!
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#61584 - 01/28/06 05:31 PM Re: Hey hacks. Just shoot them, it's quicker!
Dnkldorf Offline
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Registered: 12/12/04
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LOL, Redsy when are you going to away from that stuff?

Just when you think you've seen everything...along comes something else..


Dnk...
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#61585 - 01/28/06 06:35 PM Re: Hey hacks. Just shoot them, it's quicker!
RODALCO Offline
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Registered: 12/08/05
Posts: 854
Loc: Titirangi, Akld, New Zealand
Hi guys.

Interesting the "hidden" junctions between different types of cables.

I struck once a house which was sold as been rewired. yeh yeh, the cables from the fuse panel were all new TPS up to under the roof. then a row of stripconnectors and terminated in the old VIR and TRS cables.

I was called out to investigate intermittend flickering lights.

Whoever had done this job should loose its electrical registration if it was an electrician or a cowboy. (

Of course I quoted for a full rewire and the job was brought up to a safe standard

It's interesting that in the USA Aluminium is used a lot in house wiring, considering the relative high currents drawn by appliances at 110 Volts.

I have this not seen in New Zealand, and all cable here is made in copper for house wiring.

Streetcables are copper or aluminium here as are distribution transformer windings.
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#61586 - 01/28/06 08:28 PM Re: Hey hacks. Just shoot them, it's quicker!
DougW Offline
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Registered: 06/08/03
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Loc: North Chicago, IL
When my Dad was re-wiring our 2 flat in Chicago many years back, the AHJ told him that they'd just busted a major EC who had gotten caught doing the following:

The CEC calls for 12 AWG in commercial gigs. This guy had run 14 between j boxes and simply spliced 12 at each end - apparantly for the $ savings.

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#61587 - 01/28/06 08:31 PM Re: Hey hacks. Just shoot them, it's quicker!
Larry Fine Offline
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Registered: 02/18/05
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Loc: Richmond, VA
Holy moley! I can't believe the guy felt that his extra labor was worth less than the difference in price.
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#61588 - 01/29/06 02:57 AM Re: Hey hacks. Just shoot them, it's quicker!
pauluk Offline
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Registered: 08/11/01
Posts: 7520
Loc: Norfolk, England
I did one place where I needed to pull back a cable running to an outlet. Nothing looked wrong at the receptacle; it was just a conventional 7/.029 T&E (Romex-like). The only problem is, when I started tugging on the cables in the attic I found the top end of it was a 7/.052, or some other much larger cable.

In the end, I found a splice about halfway up the wall and directly above the socket, all buried under plaster in a box of the type we normally use for our "cooker" (range) panels.

It looked like somebody had removed the old range switch and outlet, then just chanelled down to fit a socket below and spliced the smaller cable in the old box. They'd then just stuffed a piece of drywall loosely into the box and plastered over it.
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#61589 - 01/29/06 01:14 PM Re: Hey hacks. Just shoot them, it's quicker!
DC10 Offline
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Registered: 01/21/06
Posts: 8
Loc: Wichita, KS
Larry Fine, This guy was probably paying his employees so little that the 14ga wire actually saved some money.
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#61590 - 01/29/06 07:04 PM Re: Hey hacks. Just shoot them, it's quicker!
frenchelectrican Offline
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Registered: 02/06/03
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Loc: Wi/ Paris France { France for ...
Redsy:

Let you know that i am hard of hearing electrician here also but for smoke alarm the most common one i useally installed is the strobe light verison it can be stand alone or interconnected verison.
they are not cheap btw but it worth every cent.

Merci, Marc
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