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#54887 - 08/09/05 04:48 PM Sheetrockers Leave Me Speechless
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Registered: 03/06/04
Posts: 352
Loc: Boston, MA
Everyone has had sheetrockers cover their boxes. That's apparanently a sad fact of life. I had something happen today that I have never seen before:

I went to a renovation where a barn had been converted into an apartment. We got upstairs and discovered that five of our upstairs switch boxes and one of our receptacles had been covered. There were only a total of six switches upstairs, so we figured the rockers had to have known they'd covered stuff but they were just too lazy to try and find it and cut the sheetrock open.

It turns out that all five switch boxes and the one receptacle box had been properly cut in, and then each box had then been individually taped closed, mudded and sanded smooth. Just as neat as if it was an accidental hole in the wall that had to be repaired. I figure if they had to do a standard two coats, we're talking a least an hour and a half of extra work to manage to screw this up.

The sheetrockers are long gone, so I'll never know what in the world was going through their minds. It really did leave me totally speechless.

-John

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#54888 - 08/09/05 04:56 PM Re: Sheetrockers Leave Me Speechless
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Registered: 01/05/03
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Loc: North Attleboro, MA USA
"Hey new guy, go spread mud over there don't leave any holes"

Nuff said?

Can't say that has ever happened to me.

Here are some pictures done by careful drywallers.
http://electrical-contractor.net/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000478.html
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#54889 - 08/09/05 05:10 PM Re: Sheetrockers Leave Me Speechless
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Registered: 12/16/03
Posts: 893
Loc: Hawthorne, NY USA
Kinda had that happen with switch boxes. 48" is right in the middle of the joint when the rock is hung horizontal. The taper will just run the paper tape right over the openings on the first coat. Subsequent coats can fill on the top and bottom and if someone new didn't know there was supposed to be a hole there whatever was left can get patched and sanded.

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#54890 - 08/09/05 07:23 PM Re: Sheetrockers Leave Me Speechless
HLCbuild Offline
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Registered: 12/05/04
Posts: 206
Loc: Herndon,Va USA
This used to be a major inconvenience for me, until about 15 years ago. Then, I started marking all my device box locations on the subfloor with a big marker. Just a line for the stud and a symbol next to it. After drywall, I walk the project and point out to my drywall sub any symbols that don't have matching holes in the wall or ceiling.

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#54891 - 08/09/05 07:43 PM Re: Sheetrockers Leave Me Speechless
zero76 Offline
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Registered: 10/26/04
Posts: 26
Loc: olympia
I've found the best way to deal with this is to have the drywall contractor come back under the pretext that they could do a cleaner job of locating the lost box than i would. If they have to return to the job for that kind of issue they're more likely to learn to take care.

Zero

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#54892 - 08/10/05 10:21 AM Re: Sheetrockers Leave Me Speechless
DougW Offline
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Registered: 06/08/03
Posts: 1083
Loc: North Chicago, IL
Mowimmy po polsku?

Hablamos espanol?

Govaryut pa ruski?

Must have been new guys on the job, no matter what language they speak. maybe they were left there by their boss with instructions to "fill all the holes & make 'em smooth", and they took him literally...

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#54893 - 08/10/05 02:14 PM Re: Sheetrockers Leave Me Speechless
foestauf Offline
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Registered: 08/01/05
Posts: 51
Loc: Florida
Heh. This happens all too often. The company that does the drywall where I'm at has a drywall inspector.
Well he will walk the houses and spray markings all over the floor telling the drywallers where to cut holes out and what shape they are.

But I have the best...
I walked into a single family house, stepped in the garage looking around... "Hey, wheres the panel?". LOL!!!
Them guys covered up the whole damn panel:-) Cut out the low voltage (On-Q) panel right beside it, but noooo covered my crap up.
So I got em back... Couple houses later I found texture spray all inside my panel and the cardboard was still overtop the panel (I don't know, don't ask). So I backcharged them for a new panel and the labor to install it hehehe.

Here sometimes we will backcharge the drywall for every covered box, but now we play nice with them and if they don't charge us for damaging drywall around boxes, we don't charge em for covering them up.

I'll tell you though, I've gotten very good at finding covered up boxes, just a quick run of the hand over the suspected spot and you will find the lump.

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#54894 - 08/10/05 02:19 PM Re: Sheetrockers Leave Me Speechless
Dnkldorf Offline
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Registered: 12/12/04
Posts: 1091
Loc: nowhere usa
Laying a 4' level on the wall where the suspected box is, is a good way to find them too. The Hump in the wall is a dead giveaway.


Dnk.....

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#54895 - 08/10/05 02:36 PM Re: Sheetrockers Leave Me Speechless
Dnkldorf Offline
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Registered: 12/12/04
Posts: 1091
Loc: nowhere usa
Here's a story about a box that was hard to find.

I was doing homes, 40 of them, all the same. Identical to each other.

And we couldn't find out why a circuit wouldn't work, so we break out prints. Low and behold we are missing a box in the dining room wall. We break out our trusty levels and wire tracers and have no luck.

I grab the guy that did the roughing, and he tells me he swears he put a box there, for the recep. So, we continue tracing the circuit, and nothing.

After my rougher, jumping up and down telling me he put the box there, we cautiously start cutting the wall open, this is after paint mind you.

Well looky here, there is a plumbling pipe right where our box should be, and a little more cutting reveals the box. The plumbers decided to remove our box from the wall, to route their pipes through, and never told anyone. The kitchen sink was on the other side of the wall. They removed it for the ease of their pipes. Like I said, these were identical units, you would think the plumbers would route their pipes the same way in every house, guess they forgot the pipe, and caught it before sheetrock.
Who knows...

Needless to say, the GC took pictures and the plumbers got charged for it. Repaint and all.

Did they think they could get away with that?

Dnk......

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#54896 - 08/10/05 04:11 PM Re: Sheetrockers Leave Me Speechless
e57 Offline
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Registered: 05/27/03
Posts: 2837
Loc: S.F.,CA USA
I think the rocker is trying to tell you something, what that is, who knows.

I ticked off a rocker years ago. He did exactly the same thing, went as far as to completely fill each box with mud. Turns out the floor guys came after rough, and hooked up a few circuits for themselves, after I left the job. Along comes the mud-man caught a few wires with his knife, and felt he'd pay ME back. I called him and asked what was up. He said, "Thats what you get for leaving your wires live hanging out of a box!" Took a few other phone calls before I found that the floor guys admitted to doing it (Messing with my work!) so they could get 240 for a sander.
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