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#5427 - 11/19/01 05:11 AM industrial control wiring
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Is there any benefit for fusing the neutral on a 120vac control circuit. I see a lot of this.

Am I wrong to think of this as similar to a 120vac breaker box....

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#5428 - 11/19/01 06:16 AM Re: industrial control wiring
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Control circuits are no different than any other electrical circuit.

You never fuse a grounded conductor. OCPDs that open the grounded and hot conducters simultaneously are allowed.
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#5429 - 11/19/01 06:19 AM Re: industrial control wiring
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Carl,
Is the control circuit a grounded circuit? There is a lot of 120 volt ungrounded control circuits out there.
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#5430 - 11/19/01 06:31 AM Re: industrial control wiring
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I have seen both, can you eleaborate on both situations?

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#5431 - 11/19/01 06:40 AM Re: industrial control wiring
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Ctolbert;
I know it was common practice years ago, but today they usually ground oneside of the seccondary and fuse the other on a control circuit. On 480 volt control, I think they still do because of both conductors being hot. The old drum controllers especially for cranes were not fused if there were a problem the operator would pull the main disconnet right behing him.
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#5432 - 11/19/01 08:35 AM Re: industrial control wiring
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You have to watch European equipment for fusing on the neutral side they seem to do this a lot and can cause a great deal of problems for North American Electricians who don't realize it.
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#5433 - 11/22/01 06:37 AM Re: industrial control wiring
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Resqcapt19 is right. As an industrial electrician I see a lot of ungrounded secondaries out there. I ground all I find. If the secondary is not grounded and one shorts it to ground, then fireworks and some real frazzled nerves. That's why the "neutral" side was fused. By the way Resqcapt19 are you a volunteer firefighter?

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#5434 - 11/22/01 08:02 AM Re: industrial control wiring
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