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#51764 - 05/09/05 01:00 PM recessed incandescent lights for china hutch
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I have a customer who wants a couple lights installed in their china hutch. I'm thinking the ones that came preinstalled in my wife's china hutch would be just perfect. It has two 120V recessed incandescent fixtures with a push on/push off style click switch mounted in the hutch top. It has a single non-grounded plug. It takes 25 watt or smaller type R17 bulbs and the fixture is to be mounted only in open top cabinets. They put off just enough glow for the china cabinet, and do not get hot.

Do you know the type I am talking about, and where can I get them?

Thanks. Roy

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#51765 - 05/09/05 03:37 PM Re: recessed incandescent lights for china hutch
Roger Offline
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Roy, I don't know if this is even close but you can look at the link below.
http://www1.rockler.com/CategoryView.cfm?Cat_ID=185

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#51766 - 05/11/05 08:47 PM Re: recessed incandescent lights for china hutch
royta Offline
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They measure 2 7/8" deep & 3 1/8" (actual can, not clamp) diameter.

Besides the usual "caution" info, the UL sticker gives the following information:
E180142 JS-202 Listed Cabinet Light 25 watt or smaller R-17 style bulb.

I found some on eBay that look exactly like what I have, but they say it takes 40 watt bulb. Here is a picture of what they look like.

The catch is that I have to drill two 3 3/16" holes in the top of a built in curio cabinet. If the fixtures turn out to be junk, the customer has two nice holes up there.

Anyway, the clamp mounts to the top of the cabinet with three screws. The fixture slips into the clamp and is cinched down by the clamp. The switch mounts to the top of the cabinet also. The top of the fixture is vented, so I would think they would be far better than a surface mount puck style light.

Does anybody know who makes these, or where they can be purchased?

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#51767 - 05/12/05 12:45 AM Re: recessed incandescent lights for china hutch
DiverDan Offline
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Registered: 03/10/05
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Hi royta,

They're called Can Lights and are used in furniture and cabinet manufacturing. Any cabinet hardware wholesaler and most retailers will carry them.


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#51768 - 05/12/05 02:17 AM Re: recessed incandescent lights for china hutch
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Registered: 06/27/04
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Loc: massachusetts
These china cabinet lights that are installed at the "factory" in furniture don't have a grounding conductor.

So, I don't see how we can install them in the "field" as a code compliant installation?

shortcircuit

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#51769 - 05/12/05 08:20 AM Re: recessed incandescent lights for china hutch
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Puck Lights?
http://www.expresslighting.com/minilights.html

Many of them are "listed assembelies"... Although they look nice, I ofeten worry about the amount of heat they produce. Only a few I have seen are listed for applications reccessed in wood, even still, make me worry. The LV ones, with lower wattage lamps, and more of them is a better way to go, IMO. Or Juno Track 12.

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#51770 - 05/12/05 05:41 PM Re: recessed incandescent lights for china hutch
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Good Point e57, I forgot to mention that they do produce heat! Even if the heat is not high, it is accumulative so make sure that there is open ventilation at the top of the cabinet. As for grounding requirements, they are sold as an assembly and usually the lights and switch connect together via a small receptacle. I used to be the chief engineer with some of the largest furniture and cabinet manufactures in the USA, until manufacturing was outsourced, and have speced, and installed thousands of these can lights.
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#51771 - 05/12/05 05:59 PM Re: recessed incandescent lights for china hutch
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Registered: 06/27/04
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Loc: massachusetts
I have used these low voltage Seagull mini recessed lights in china hutches and in kitchen cabinets with glass fronts...
www.seagulllighting.com/Ambiance-Lighting-9409A15.htm

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#51772 - 05/13/05 05:39 PM Re: recessed incandescent lights for china hutch
e57 Offline
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Only used 'em once, but fiber optic cabinet lights. If you like to spend money!

No heat, but radius of fiber limits it to deep sofit type use.
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