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#5079 - 11/01/01 05:45 PM the "Untouchables"
sparky Offline

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5545
A 1104ICX rec. can instructs as follows:

for 1131 & 1133 sloped cieling trims, Mounting frame must be installed with JB on the downhill side.

A 1131 trim for said can comes with instructions as follows;

Mounting frame must be installed with JB on the uphill side

This is just one example of the many little glitches i've found after i realized being a literate tradesman might be interesting.
I usually can find a tech-support #, or better yet, an e-mail to pass this on. I really am either trying to help or be helped....But everytime i do , the response reads like some sort of third world propaganda...

blah, blah, blah, blah Mr. Sparky blah, blah , blah, blah, blah , thank you for your concern.
Mz. roundfile
Customer snowball rep.

Do i need more fiber in my diet?

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#5080 - 11/02/01 02:14 PM Re: the "Untouchables"
nesparky Offline

Registered: 06/21/01
Posts: 650
Loc: omaha,ne
No you do not need more fiber, just have to find a supplier/manufacturer that is willing to be honest. Most are too worried about lawsuits to admit they may have made a mistake.

#5081 - 11/02/01 03:29 PM Re: the "Untouchables"
Redsy Offline

Registered: 03/28/01
Posts: 2138
Loc: Bucks County PA
Thinking about it, I would go with the can instructions. It makes more sense to have the j-box below the heat radiated from the fixture then above it.

#5082 - 11/02/01 04:55 PM Re: the "Untouchables"
sparky Offline

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5545
The JB is where the cutout is (near), so i thought it had a bearing.

Do any of you guys dog the manufacturer's, i don't mean the supply house countermen ( & women...sorry) I mean the engineers that design the stuff we install....

#5083 - 11/02/01 05:11 PM Re: the "Untouchables"
Tom Offline

Registered: 01/01/01
Posts: 1069
Loc: Shinnston, WV USA
If you'd just throw away those pesky instructions, you wouldn't be having these problems. To paraphrase a statement by Mark Twain regarding spelling- it's an awful poor electrician that can only install electrical equipment one way. (Note: tongue is stuck firmly in cheek).

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.

#5084 - 11/02/01 07:44 PM Re: the "Untouchables"
Bill Addiss Offline

Registered: 10/07/00
Posts: 4196
Loc: NY, USA

I'd call 'em up and ask.

Just a thought - They may have had a reason to revise the instructions. Where is the thermal protector? it may matter which way it is (above or below) as far a sensitivity. Is one revision newer than the other?

(Be sure to let us know what they say)


#5085 - 11/03/01 01:15 AM Re: the "Untouchables"
sparky Offline

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5545
it ( the thermal) is near the JB
(i called it a cutout). I really only posted this as one example, it seems i get the corporate snow job a lot, makes a guy feel small...inconseqential.
I have invited some to your ( as well as other) forums, but they never show. One would think a little constructive critique would be condusive to a better product. Collectively, the posters here would be the best consumer review solicited.

#5086 - 11/03/01 02:59 AM Re: the "Untouchables"
sparky Offline

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 5545
God...i can barely reach the keyboard now....

edit cause i bcan se t typ...

[This message has been edited by sparky (edited 11-03-2001).]

#5087 - 11/03/01 07:48 AM Re: the "Untouchables"
sparky66wv Offline

Registered: 11/17/00
Posts: 2334
Loc: West Virginia
Aw, heck Steve, I edit almost every post... Otherwise you couldn't read it!!!

I hope it isn't annoying to some... I'm a perfectionist...

I only edit mistakes that may make things unclear, and usually within 24 hours I won't edit anymore...

Should I apologize?


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